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Colorado Conceal Permit Apps Surge

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More people in Colorado than ever before are attempting to legally carry a concealed gun, and by no small margin.

It's 87 percent more.



With all these people running around with guns, Colorado is no longer safe. It's a shame that the citizens of Colorado rely on themselves for protection rather than the police. When will this madness end? /sarcasm

Good to see people taking responsibilities into their own hands. God knows that permit holders are the only ones who wear seat belts...


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Paranoia will destroy ya, or Colorado anyway.
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Paranoia will destroy ya, or Colorado anyway.

I totally agree. I'm with all the paranoid people that wear seat belts as well! I really shouldn't wear one. After all, I pay for insurance and emergency services to prevent injuries.


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Plus there's all the suicides and home invasions committed with seat belts.
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Paranoia will destroy ya, or Colorado anyway.

I totally agree. I'm with all the paranoid people that wear seat belts as well! I really shouldn't wear one. After all, I pay for insurance and emergency services to prevent injuries.

The painfully obvious difference between seat belts and guns is that seat belts actually make you safer, while owning a gun make yous much less safe.

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Ignoring your statement about guns making you less safe....since it is not fact based.....seatbelts can also make you less safe in some instances.

For instance they can prevent you from escaping a sinking or burning car.

Just like firearms, seat belts can save lives....or end lives

But back on topic....happy to see Coloradans exercising their right to self defense

The anti gun crowd always predicts old west gunfights in the streets but permit holders are a pretty responsible group


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Ignoring your statement about guns making you less safe....since it is not fact based.....

Actually it is based on facts.

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full


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seatbelts can also make you less safe in some instances.

For instance they can prevent you from escaping a sinking or burning car.

Just like firearms, seat belts can save lives....or end lives

Nice urban legend stuff there BB.

I've pulled people (both dead and alive) from vehicles more times than I could possibly count.  I've pulled them from burning vehicles, from under water, from ravines, upside down, and just about every other imaginable situation.  Never once have I encountered a seatbelt that would unlatch as it was designed to do, nor have I ever heard of it happening from any of my coworkers.  The only thing that keeps people from escaping their seatbelt is their own panic.  So it's panic that can end lives, not seat belts.

Similarly, panic doesn't do a lot to help the judgment of a scared person with a gun either.  So I don't see more people running out to get a carry permit so they can protect themselves from the Boogie Man as a good thing.
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Plus there's all the suicides and home invasions committed with seat belts.

Now that was incredibly funny.

So, are there any actual facts to discuss here Scott, BB or is this just another attempt to propogate the deceitful narrative that can't be supported by facts?


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So, are there any actual facts to discuss here Scott, BB or is this just another attempt to propogate the deceitful narrative that can't be supported by facts?

That second thing. It's that.

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Plus there's all the suicides and home invasions committed with seat belts.

Armed law abiding citizens don't use their firearms to invade homes - they use them to protect against criminals invading the home of armed law abiding citizens.  

Suicide is an act of the person who commits it, not the item used to commit it.  A gun has never committed a suicide.
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Plus there's all the suicides and home invasions committed with seat belts.

Armed law abiding citizens don't use their firearms to invade homes - they use them to protect against criminals invading the home of armed law abiding citizens.  

Suicide is an act of the person who commits it, not the item used to commit it.  A gun has never committed a suicide.

Semantic nonsense. Here's what we know:

1) Guns are used in more than half of all successful suicide attempts;

2) Suicide attempts using a firearm are successful 85-90% of the time;

3) Other means of attempted suicide are much less effective (e.g., self-poisoning fails 97% of the time);

4) The vast majority of people who attempt suicide unsuccessfully do not repeat the attempt.

Put it all together, and a significant percentage of the 19,000 people who kill themselves annually using firearms would be alive today if they hadn't had a firearm handy.  

You can phrase that however you like--play your little semantic games to your heart's content--as long as you acknowledge the underlying reality. And if you don't acknowledge it, then you have nothing of value to say here.


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Plus there's all the suicides and home invasions committed with seat belts.

Suicides- Mental Health problem, not gun problem. What is the Japanese suicide rate? How many were done with guns? Yeah, blame the gun...

Home Invasions- How many were performed by law- abiding conceal permit carriers? LOL


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Plus there's all the suicides and home invasions committed with seat belts.

Now that was incredibly funny.

So, are there any actual facts to discuss here Scott, BB or is this just another attempt to propogate the deceitful narrative that can't be supported by facts?

Read the CDC report that Obama ordered? Hmmm... Yeah, lots of facts. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews....rrative

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But really, we are getting off subject...

Where is the proof that all the law- abiding conceal carriers are out committing crimes? Seems that the people committing crimes are not law abiding conceal carriers.


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Plus there's all the suicides and home invasions committed with seat belts.

Armed law abiding citizens don't use their firearms to invade homes - they use them to protect against criminals invading the home of armed law abiding citizens.  

Suicide is an act of the person who commits it, not the item used to commit it.  A gun has never committed a suicide.

Semantic nonsense. Here's what we know:

1) Guns are used in more than half of all successful suicide attempts;

2) Suicide attempts using a firearm are successful 85-90% of the time;

3) Other means of attempted suicide are much less effective (e.g., self-poisoning fails 97% of the time);

4) The vast majority of people who attempt suicide unsuccessfully do not repeat the attempt.

Put it all together, and a significant percentage of the 19,000 people who kill themselves annually using firearms would be alive today if they hadn't had a firearm handy.  

You can phrase that however you like--play your little semantic games to your heart's content--as long as you acknowledge the underlying reality. And if you don't acknowledge it, then you have nothing of value to say here.

So you are blaming guns for suicides.. Simply amazing. Again, what about the Japanese? What About the Koreans? What about ...

US is 33 in suicides!!!! Yet have lax gun control compared to all the countries that preceed us.


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Where is the proof that all the law- abiding conceal carriers are out committing crimes? Seems that the people committing crimes are not law abiding conceal carriers.

I see you were paying attention when you took Tautology 101.

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So you are blaming guns for suicides.. Simply amazing. Again, what about the Japanese? What About the Koreans? What about ...

US is 33 in suicides!!!! Yet have lax gun control compared to all the countries that preceed us.

Is there an argument there? I don't see one--just a lot of handwaving and misdirection.  

But let's clarify. Is it your contention that the availability of firearms to people considering suicide does not significantly boost the number of suicide fatalities in the U.S.? If so, what is your basis for that, and how do you square that with the undisputed facts presented in my comment?


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Colorado already has a long, sad history of spikes in gun crime.

Just adding to it will hardly be noticed.


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If you look at exactly when in the year the spike happened, you'll not that it was from March through the end of June.  In other words:
From when the new gun laws were signed into law up until they went into effect (July 1st).

Which is most likely caused by:
people being scared into thinking that the new laws wouldn't allow them to get a CCP (which isn't true) and

people who were aware that they'd no longer be able to do the safety certification training part of the process online after July 1st.


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Plus there's all the suicides and home invasions committed with seat belts.

Armed law abiding citizens don't use their firearms to invade homes - they use them to protect against criminals invading the home of armed law abiding citizens.  

Suicide is an act of the person who commits it, not the item used to commit it.  A gun has never committed a suicide.

Semantic nonsense. Here's what we know:

1) Guns are used in more than half of all successful suicide attempts;

2) Suicide attempts using a firearm are successful 85-90% of the time;

3) Other means of attempted suicide are much less effective (e.g., self-poisoning fails 97% of the time);

4) The vast majority of people who attempt suicide unsuccessfully do not repeat the attempt.

Put it all together, and a significant percentage of the 19,000 people who kill themselves annually using firearms would be alive today if they hadn't had a firearm handy.  

You can phrase that however you like--play your little semantic games to your heart's content--as long as you acknowledge the underlying reality. And if you don't acknowledge it, then you have nothing of value to say here.

faulty logic.

Drunks driving cars are involved in 100% of the accidents caused by drunk drivers - reason enough to deny people who don't drink and drive the ability to drive a car?

You want to take away the ability of a person to defend themselves and their family because nut cases want to commit suicide.  Then lets outlaw bridges and buildings over 1 floor high.  

And we can't let people go hiking in the cold because some freaking nut case decided to kill himself by freezing to death on Mount Lafayette and littering the landscape with his remains.
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Armed law abiding citizens don't use their firearms to invade homes - they use them to protect against criminals invading the home of armed law abiding citizens.  

Suicide is an act of the person who commits it, not the item used to commit it.  A gun has never committed a suicide.

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As a CCW permit holder, I've discovered that most guys who are against legal carry are not eligible do to having a criminal record. So, when I meet someone who doesn't approve, I am ok with it.
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As a CCW permit holder, I've discovered that most guys who are against legal carry are not eligible do to having a criminal record. So, when I meet someone who doesn't approve, I am ok with it.

PM me your address, and when (not if) you kill yourself (either accidentally or intentionally) I'll send a condolence card to your family.

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faulty logic.

Drunks driving cars are involved in 100% of the accidents caused by drunk drivers - reason enough to deny people who don't drink and drive the ability to drive a car?

You want to take away the ability of a person to defend themselves and their family because nut cases want to commit suicide.  Then lets outlaw bridges and buildings over 1 floor high.  

And we can't let people go hiking in the cold because some freaking nut case decided to kill himself by freezing to death on Mount Lafayette and littering the landscape with his remains.

Argument is more effective when it responds to what someone actually said, rather than what the voices in your head tell you he or she said.

Try reading my comment again, and responding to that.


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Well, here's old Scot again, with his crap about how everybody should just go right out and arm themselves because the cops can't - or won't - protect you.

Everybody armed. Now there's a thought. It seems to be the only thought consistently pushed by the gun-pushin', gun-totin' "real men" out there and the guys at the NRA and every other gun-pushin' organization you ever heard of - and many you probably never have.

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But what if we were all armed? What if we all went out tomorrow and armed ourselves? What would that be like?

The closest analogy for the result if every man, woman and child was armed 24/7 (well, leave the toddlers and youngsters out - that's crazy, I guess - though merely using the term "crazy" for arming toddlers in this conversation is very much like not seeing the rampant insanity right in front of your face everywhere, but whatever...), assuming it was even practical to arm everyone, would be very much like the situation - and the similar arguments - surrounding nuclear arms proliferation. Like giving every nation on earth their own little arsenal of nukes, arming everyone everywhere at all times is just plain nuts. It might sound reasonable coming out of the mouths of the propagandists, but - to put it mildly - it doesn't, as we software types are in the habit of saying - "scale well". If it actually happened, assuming we could get everyone to arm themselves, it would result in the same nightmare scenario of total nuke proliferation. It would be a madhouse. No one could possibly think - assuming they think at all - that it would be anything else.

If you know for a fact that everyone everywhere is armed, then your worldview changes - but not necessarily for the good, as the aforementioned gun-pushin' people and organizations would like you to believe. It wouldn't mean that criminals would "think twice" before attempting a robbery or a mugging. They'd just try to make damned sure they were better equipped to kill you before you could pull your piece. They'd try very hard to beat you (and everyone else) at the "arms race" and they'd use "overwhelming force" to negate your hand weapon. Think "drug cartel" here. Of course, that would mean that citizens would engage in the same "upscaling" of their own weapons and such. Unless you're completely stupid, you can see where that would go.

I suspect that having everyone armed would not change the proportions in the general population of idiots, drunks, criminals and all the other categories with which  we are already so familiar. It would mean that, should Joe, Bubba and Wally get together down at the local tavern and have a few, then start arguing over the barmaid - or anything else - the end result might be more serious than obscenities or, perhaps, a fist fight. Someone would die. Maybe a lot of people would die. Nightly. Hourly.

If everyone is armed all the time, that means the cops would necessarily need to assume that everyone was armed, and then pretty much be ready to shoot to kill in virtually every situation where they were forced to arrest someone for just about any minor offense - at least until they were disarmed and cuffed. A riot - like the one this weekend in Huntington Beach - would not just end up with a few people being popped with rubber bullets and arrested. Because everyone would be armed, the police would have a full scale war on their hands. They'd have to protect themselves, even if that meant a lot of rioters had to die.

Yeah, "everyone armed" isn't a good idea. Now, it's time for the guys who "push guns" to say "Ah, that's not what I meant!" Yeah, well, what did you mean? Were you thinking that only the "good guys" (like yourself, of course) should be armed? Did you think that would be sufficient? Funny, the "call to arms" I hear all the time never seems all that specific.

And arming everyone - even if it was practical (and it's not) is just plain old stupid.
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If more guns really made people safer, why has the gun lobby worked so hard to make it illegal for the government to study gun violence in any meaningful way? It is easy to make up truthy sounding crap, but the tools to quantify how legally owned guns impact crime, death, and injuries are suppressed by the people that are telling the fairy tales about the safer world of well armed people.

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As a CCW permit holder, I've discovered that most guys who are against legal carry are not eligible do to having a criminal record. So, when I meet someone who doesn't approve, I am ok with it.

I seriously doubt you've made any effort to study the reasons people don't feel the need to arm themselves 24/7.
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....seatbelts can also make you less safe in some instances.

For instance they can prevent you from escaping a sinking or burning car.

One of the dumbest statements I have ever seen.  Clearly written by someone with no connection with emergency services.
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....seatbelts can also make you less safe in some instances.

For instance they can prevent you from escaping a sinking or burning car.

One of the dumbest statements I have ever seen.  Clearly written by someone with no connection with emergency services.

It's difficult to take the Bab seriously on any topic. He often comes off like a radio show DJ trying to get ratings anyway he can.
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