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“The bear presented its rear end to him,” Crockett said.

The man called, “Hey, bear,” hoping not to startle the animal, he said.

The bear turned and charged, the hiker later told rangers.

The man fired the AK-74 he was carrying, Crockett said. The bear stopped after the first volley of shots, and then charged again.

The man fired once more, Crockett said.

That time the bear folded into a ball, rolling and running downhill and thudding to a stop in a clump of birch trees about 100 yards from the trail.

“There it expired,” Crockett said
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Sad. Who hikes with a Kalashnikov?
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Someone looking for trouble....

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Another instance of a gun nut stalking a victim, then shooting when the victim gets agitated.  :;):

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Sad. Who hikes with a Kalashnikov?

I don't know, the same guy that feels the need to walk the street with a Glock perhaps?
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What an idiot. It's his word versus the bears.
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Another instance of a gun nut stalking a victim, then shooting when the victim gets agitated.  :;):

+1 (unless the bear was a "thug")

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Was it a black bear??

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Prolly wearing a hoodie too
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Even in Alaska, that is just nuts.

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So where's Jessie Jackson and the others?
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Better yet, wheres Winnie, Paddington, Smokie, or any of the three bears and their porridge and uncomfortable beds?

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I don't know, the same guy that feels the need to walk the street with a Glock perhaps?

Most standard issue carry for police is Glock. Either G22 or G19.

Funny, article says its not unusual for people to carry sidearms. Stupid hikers


But as far as this article is concerned, what the hell was he doing with an AK- 74 while hiking? I think the guy was looking for trouble. What an ass.


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No actual mention of sidearms in the article.

A mention most people that choose to have a firearm choose a larger caliber than the AK-74's round. Which makes sense.

"It’s not unusual for people recreating in the Chugach to arm themselves with guns for bear encounters, Crockett [a park ranger]  said. But the gun used in Sunday’s encounter isn’t a typical choice for bear defense.

The AK-74 rifle is an updated version of its cousin, the better-known AK-47 assault weapon. It fires a smaller caliber round than the AK-47 and remains popular in the countries of the former Soviet Union, where it was produced in the 1970s.

“Most people carry something larger caliber,” he said."
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No actual mention of sidearms in the article.

A mention most people that choose to have a firearm choose a larger caliber than the AK-74's round. Which makes sense.

"It’s not unusual for people recreating in the Chugach to arm themselves with guns for bear encounters, Crockett [a park ranger]  said. But the gun used in Sunday’s encounter isn’t a typical choice for bear defense.

The AK-74 rifle is an updated version of its cousin, the better-known AK-47 assault weapon. It fires a smaller caliber round than the AK-47 and remains popular in the countries of the former Soviet Union, where it was produced in the 1970s.

“Most people carry something larger caliber,” he said."

Ok, sorry, gun. A .44 is considered a sidearm as well as a .50 DE.  Both somewhat effective against larger animals.

Either way, the guy in the article is not terribly smart.


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Howso not "smart" because he wasn't carrying your firearm of choice?

Given the outcome how about he was carrying what he was familiar and comfortable with and so, as with most any tool, was better able to effectively use the firearm he had rather than something some internet "expert" would want him to carry.

Beaspray is certainly a lighter choice than the 7 or so lbs. of the rifle but he may have been thinking of prepared for more than bears.
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Howso not "smart" because he wasn't carrying your firearm of choice?

Given the outcome how about he was carrying what he was familiar and comfortable with and so, as with most any tool, was better able to effectively use the firearm he had rather than something some internet "expert" would want him to carry.

Beaspray is certainly a lighter choice than the 7 or so lbs. of the rifle but he may have been thinking of prepared for more than bears.

Caliber of bullets

I agree, bear spray would have been even better. I dont carry a firearm for four legged creatures.

And you are right, who knows how/ what he prefers to carry. Just seems a bit big to pack along for a hike.


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Bearspray is the family man's wildlife defense of choice. An accidental discharge won't kill one of your kids. A wounded bear just might. Admittedly it's hard to signal for help with bearspray, and automatic weapon fire is bound to bring the authorities, after you've scared off all of the normal people.  :p

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Could be he's just a lousy shot with a handgun (as so many are) and he's okay with the weight? My EDC backcountry blade is a fixed blade knife, overweight for some things, just right for others (mostly cooking prep).....

Yes I'm a fan of foot pounds but there's a lot to be said for the cumulative effect of shots that actually connect with the target in comparison to some awesome knockdown load that sails serenely off over the horizon... basic reason I'm a big shoulderarms fan for more general consideration as in high stress situations skill is often very perishable. Same reason for kitchen firesuppresion systems (my "home security" investment of choice) to have big red buttons right at the exits. One whack and that happens.
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Could be he's just a lousy shot with a handgun (as so many are) and he's okay with the weight? My EDC backcountry blade is a fixed blade knife, overweight for some things, just right for others (mostly cooking prep).....

Yes I'm a fan of foot pounds but there's a lot to be said for the cumulative effect of shots that actually connect with the target in comparison to some awesome knockdown load that sails serenely off over the horizon... basic reason I'm a big shoulderarms fan for more general consideration as in high stress situations skill is often very perishable. Same reason for kitchen firesuppresion systems (my "home security" investment of choice) to have big red buttons right at the exits. One whack and that happens.

You have a point. i am much better with a pistol. Lousy with a rifle. But bear spray would still be a better choice for me.

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It has been over ten years, but I've hiked that trail, the Turnagain Arm trail, and it is common for people to carry big caliber rifles and 12 gauge shotguns because of the numerous bears in the area. Some people carry BIG handguns or bear spray too. The AK74 shoots a bullet that is a little smaller than a .22 caliber - but at closer to 3000 fpm instead of the 1200 fpm for the .22 rimfire. Still not exactly the type of stopping power most people want to defend themselves from a charging bear.

In the Chugach State Park and close to Anchorage, the Turnagain Arm Trail is snow free and hikeable before the Bird Creek trails are. I like Bird Creek better though.

I have spent many a night camping at the Bird Creek campground and salmon fishing. If you drive the Alcan to Alaska Canada makes it a hassle to carry a gun of any type or even bear spray through Canada. I have seen enough bears along the trail to understand why so many carry guns while hiking there. In places where bear hunting is allowed the bears usually stay away from people. It is OK to carry a gun in Alaska State Parks for defense against bears, but hunting very limited.

A lot of people want more bear hunting allowed in Chugach State Park. See Attacks By Bears . A more recent article reflecting lengthened bear hunting seasons in Chugach: Bear Population .
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should have had a 50 bmg, then he could have made bear burgers afterwards
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I have always advocated the "go big or go home" approach, but no one ever seems to listen.

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GBH..Is it hard to load a bear into that thing?

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Are you thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?
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Are you thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?

How far do you think he will fly?

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Are you thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?

How far do you think he will fly?

How far away do you think they'll hear him scream?
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Is it just me or are there a lot of judgmental posts in this thread?
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Couple of things seem strange.

1.  No bear spray.

2.  Calling "hey bear"  instead of just backing away.

That said, if this is justifiable bearicide/"defense of life and property", what is the problem with the guy carrying and using an AK-74 instead of a shotgun....the AK-74 worked for him.

It definitely puts lie to the contention that so-called "assault rifles" are only good for killing large numbers of people.
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It definitely puts lie to the contention that so-called "assault rifles" are only good for killing large numbers of people.

Agreed.  It also puts the lie to the contention that there is no legitimate defensive use for a semi-auto rifle or for a large capacity magazine on such a rifle.  This pip squeek sub .22 caliber rifle dropped a charging griz, and did so almost exclusively because of the many follow-up shots enabled by the action and the magazine.
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