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From the BBC:  "A government motion was defeated by 285 to 272, a majority of 13 votes.  PM David Cameron said "the government will act accordingly", effectively ruling out London's involvement in any US-led strikes against Damascus."

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I'm in favor of giving Assad, or whoever was responsible more rope. This issue needs clarification that might come from whoever being emboldened to use gas once again.


Though the British delay is only until the UN Inspection team reports back and that's in just a few days.

Just color me skeptical. There was an article a few days ago that due to their loses the rebels were recruiting teenaged soldiers. So that sounds like Assad was winning. That being the case why go the war crime route now with poison gas? I'm more open to either a rebel setup or a local commander who went off the reservation for his own reasons. At least until there's solid proof it was a release on national authority.
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I'm in favor of giving Assad, or whoever was responsible more rope. This issue needs clarification that might come from whoever being emboldened to use gas once again.


Though the British delay is only until the UN Inspection team reports back and that's in just a few days.

Just color me skeptical. There was an article a few days ago that due to their loses the rebels were recruiting teenaged soldiers. So that sounds like Assad was winning. That being the case why go the war crime route now with poison gas? I'm more open to either a rebel setup or a local commander who went off the reservation for his own reasons. At least until there's solid proof it was a release on national authority.

Yep.  Just doesn't seem logical that after fighting off the rebels for a good two years... and seemingly gaining the upper hand -- Bashar would risk the wrath of the great powers??

It may still be Bashar's doing -- but there is also the likelihood this represents a desperate act of the rebels to draw the US in...

My concern is just why Obama seems so anxious to jump into all this?   ???


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I'm not sure he is. The ones pushing fast action appear to be media more than anyone. Hagel was cautious as well just Monday on BBC, though the interviewer tried to get a rash statement pledging an attack. I haven't listened to the interview President Obama gave Judy Woodruff and Gwen Ifill yesterday but had he committed to an attack I'm confident that would have been trumpeted everywhere; and it hasn't been.

Quite the opposite: the lead: "Obama: 'I Have Not Made a Decision' on Syria"

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I hope you are right, HSF.  But when I wrote of Obama, I didn't just mean the person and his statements alone.  I meant his administration as well -- such as Kerry.

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[Images of Kerry bravely sailboarding up to Syria and launching an irresistible barrage of strongly worded memos.]
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[images of Syrians splattered with Heinz ketchup; oh, the humanity!]

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[images of Syrians splattered with Heinz ketchup; oh, the humanity!]

Reminds me of that urgent  need to "help the poor Iraqis".

I am all for helping -- but only after we think through the consequences.  Pretty amazing how folks still fail to use their brains so soon after we painted ourselves into tight corners the last two or three times around!!   Knee jerking to "do something" seldom helps anyone.


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We still have France...........................

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After WWI, chemical weapons were considered horrible and nations agreed to ban them via "international law". Now, 90 years later, things have changed. The level of concern about WMD's - nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons - just isn't there except for the US. So the US should not be surprised when allies like the UK are not in any rush to get involved.

The UK and everyone knows that nothing will come out of the UN "investigations" and debate.

Most of the world just feels that these prohibitions against "nuclear proliferation" and chemical and biological weapons are just outdated. It follows that any attacks by the US against nations that are violating these outdated international agreements  is guilty of an unprovoked attack and is the "bad guy".

So the US needs to accept this reality and move on. If anything, the US should concentrate their efforts on developing even more powerful WMD's for themselves and building up their own arsenal for a "mutually assured destruction" deterrence. As Syria has shown, chemical weapons work very well in fighting guerrilla warfare or terrorists.
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The level of concern about WMD's - nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons - just isn't there except for the US.

You could fool me, I have no idea where you get such an idea, and I don't think you have one iota of data to back up your opinion.

Since 9/11 there is considerably greater concern about all kinds of terrorist activities, especially about nuclear dirty bombs that could be deliveried in a suitcase.  Look at the exceptional efforts made in GB and India to stop terrorist plot involving nerve gas, like the ones that were deployed in the Japanese subway.

I am guessing that all of the 3600 people who were affected by this latest chemical attack take it pretty seriously.  Maybe you should check with Israel and see what their attitude is, they have taken at least two preemptive strikes to destroy nuclear and chemical threats in Iran.

Where is any confirmation for your opinion??


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Imagine that - having the legislative branch make decisions of war, to ensure that a single person could not take a nation to war against the will of its people.  

If only our founding fathers had thought of this.........
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Imagine that - having the legislative branch make decisions of war, to ensure that a single person could not take a nation to war against the will of its people.  

If only our founding fathers had thought of this.........

We do have a legislative branch that can ensure that a single person could not take a nation into war against the will of its people!

It isn't our founding fathers' fault that our legislature is currently staffed by people who are better at making hot air than making hard decisions.


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If only our founding fathers had thought of this.........

Now, don't be dogin' BO if he does.

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We still have France...........................

France has always been so reliable to us. I wish we would back off for a bit. We don't have money for this nor do we need to send out more soldiers....I agree with the UK on this one..let's wait.
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I'm so freakin excited that the President has decided to seek congressional approval for a strike, thank you Parliament!

Now we can only hope and pray that there aren't the votes in the congress for this action.

The oddness of half the "neocon warmonger right wingers" opposing this action while half the Democrats including many so called "progressives" supporting the Presidents military action is, well, odd.

At least with Iraq a half assed attempt to meet the Powel doctrine of war was made. With Syria all we got is nuttin.

Dramatically more people are dying from conventional means in Africa (as well as the middle east) and we hardly hear a peep.

If a Republican had a track record like this current administration this sub forum would be up in arms.

Face it, Obama has been subverted. He is not the guy all you all voted for and probably never was.


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No amount of heavy breathing will ever successfully equate what were it to happen  would be far less than the  expenditure in Libya to Iraq.

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He is not the guy all you all voted for and probably never was.

Wrong, as usual.  He is not the guy you and the right wing media IMAGINED he was, he is and has always been the centrist, practical politician that a great many of  his supporters knew that he was all along.

Only an idiot propagandist would ever think that the former President of the Harvard Law Review was a flaming liberal!!  The Republican talking point writers did their very best to make him into a hippie, commie socialist, but the people who knew him and supported him all along knew that nothing could be further from the truth.

And now, all of you are beginning to see through the right wing rhetoric to the middling conservative that he has always been.

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Wrong, as usual.  He is not the guy you and the right wing media IMAGINED he was, he is and has always been the centrist, practical politician that a great many of  his supporters knew that he was all along.

Only an idiot propagandist would ever think that the former President of the Harvard Law Review was a flaming liberal!!  The Republican talking point writers did their very best to make him into a hippie, commie socialist, but the people who knew him and supported him all along knew that nothing could be further from the truth.

And now, all of you are beginning to see through the right wing rhetoric to the middling conservative that he has always been.

Which is exactly why he was able to win two Presidential campaigns.

I live in the burbs of Chicago and have been familiar with the President and his positions long before he even hit your radar.

There is nothing centrist about the President.


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Ron

as President he sure as hell has positions that are centrist to even right of center depending how
you define those terms.  No one can call his signature piece of legislation, ObamaRomneyHeritageFoundationCare
for example, leftist other than those who have been indoctrinated by right-wing propaganda. The idea that
Obama is this far lefists socialist is both laughable and tiresome.  I think your view that "There is nothing
centrist about the President" reflects your conservative point of view and probably the kind of sources you read


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Obama's use of drone attacks are very far from that of a liberal.  Plus, his go-ahead for the Osama bin Laden raid in Pakistan is very far from that of a liberal.

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President Obama
Vice President Biden
Hillary Clinton
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Obama's use of drone attacks are very far from that of a liberal.  Plus, his go-ahead for the Osama bin Laden raid in Pakistan is very far from that of a liberal.

It became apparent that Obama was center-right on economics as well in his selection of Wall Street insiders Geithner and Summers for key economic posts.

This president's actual decisions and actions in office have been a far cry from the radical leftist the right tries to make him out to be. Of course, the GOP has shifted so far to the right that the sainted Ronnie Reagan wouldn't stand much of a chance in a Republican primary these days.


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Obama the neocon hah hah hah! :D

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Not agreeing or disagreeing... but maybe time for all to step back and define what liberalism is?  Per Webster:

Definition of LIBERALISM

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: the quality or state of being liberal
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a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity
b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard
c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class)


There is no direct description or definition of what tools liberals prefer to use to maintain law and order in society.  IMO, warring cuts across the spectrum of liberalism/conservatism.


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Do YOU think Obama is a necon, or do you think someone else in this thread has made that assertion? Do you know what a neocon is?

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Ron you said here is nothing centrist about Mr. Obama; his use of force and as Drift Woody points out, his choice for economic appointments are not to the left.  

I will agree that both Biden and Kerry are big-time liberals.  I don't know about Clinton...more center-left.   Probably a lot like her husband.

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Ron you said here is nothing centrist about Mr. Obama; his use of force and as Drift Woody points out, his choice for economic appointments are not to the left.  

I will agree that both Biden and Kerry are big-time liberals.  I don't know about Clinton...more center-left.   Probably a lot like her husband.

Happy Trails,

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Secretary of State Kerry takes a page out of the neocon playbook and states the President can attack Syria

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A day after Barack Obama vowed to put any intervention in Syria to a vote of both the Senate and House of Representatives, Kerry said the administration was confident of winning a motion of the kind that David Cameron unexpectedly lost last week. "We don't contemplate that the Congress is going to vote no," Kerry said, but he stressed the president had the right to take action "no matter what Congress does".

http://www.theguardian.com/world....s-kerry

Obama and Kerry war mongering over the use of chemical weapons. Kind of like the ones used to kill Kurds in Iraq.

Picking nits over labels (neo-con) while ignoring the blatant hypocrisy is par for the course for online political discussions.


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So looking the other way when Iraq poisoned Halabja makes Reagan what?
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