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Obama plays into keeping Assad in power to oversee disarmament

http://online.wsj.com/article....article

While waiving federal law to arm the rebels trying to take Assad out.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-w....2535885

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I wouldn't say the "best" of hands, but much much better than if McCain or some other Republican hawk was in the White House.

Aside from the push to eliminate chemical weapons (which could fall into the wrong hands if/when Assad is toppled) it looks like we're staying out of that conflict.

And that's a very, very good thing.

Was pointing that out your intent, TDale?


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The sausage-making of geo-political leadership is rarely pretty.

I would rather see us leave a half-assed thug like Assad in power than create a bigger mess for which we are responsible for policing. We should have left Saddam in power with his petty dictatorship and ham-handed ways rather than try to referee a hideous civil war.

But let's open our doors to political and humanitarian refugees from Syria. The smartest and most resourceful people find ways to leave. They can come here and be constructive citizens.

My brother went to college with a kid from Iran. His father was "in" with the Shah and very wealthy. During his freshman year, the Shah was overthrown and his family lost everything. All this kid had was an admittance to Vanderbilt, a fine school, but no way to pay for it. So he worked his way through college.

Now he owns three restaurants in Nashville that employ about 50 people. He has 3 kids that will attend college. The oldest is studying engineering. He is a great citizen.


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Once we got past our original policy....which was that Assad had to go

And once we realized that vague empty threats were a waste of time

It became clear...we simply needed to try to look like we were doing something

Hopefully the rebels will not use our weapons to obtain the CW...because that would actually be more embarrassing ....which would be quite a feat


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McCain hasn't been the only one loudly demanding more military involvement in the region. If Obama had flatly refused to do anything in Syria, there would be a lot more demanding action. If Obama cured cancer, the right wing nuts would be saying that he didn't care about people with heart disease.

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The proof is in the pudding.
If the end result turns out well then the joke will be on the TDales and Billbabs of the world.  And as always, he who laughs last, laughs loudest.

Regardless, I'm happy for each day that goes by that were not bombing yet another foreign country.  This is far more important to me than who gets laughing rights.
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Obama plays into keeping Assad in power to oversee disarmament

http://online.wsj.com/article....article

While waiving federal law to arm the rebels trying to take Assad out.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-w....2535885

The country's in the best of hands.

I find the funny part is.............while trying to arm unknown rebels, he tries to disarm Americans....................LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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I wouldn't say the "best" of hands, but much much better than if McCain or some other Republican hawk was in the White House.

There's a huge difference between much better and least worst.


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Obama plays into keeping Assad in power to oversee disarmament

http://online.wsj.com/article....article

While waiving federal law to arm the rebels trying to take Assad out.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-w....2535885

The country's in the best of hands.

I find the funny part is.............while trying to arm unknown rebels, he tries to disarm Americans....................LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

There's a good reason for that.

We are much, much more dangerous.


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Exactly HOW is the president trying to "disarm" Americans, and in what way are they "dangerous"??

Seriously, I'd like honest answers to those questions.


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Good night .... and good luck!!

Hating Obama and everything he does is their main interest in life.

Tough for Obama, but working quite well for liberals and moderates in the political system.

The extreme right wingers may actually motivate the country to do some of the things we need to do to save our economy and our way of life.


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Exactly HOW is the president trying to "disarm" Americans, and in what way are they "dangerous"??

Seriously, I'd like honest answers to those questions.

Interesting that you describe Americans as "they".  Not "we".

"We" are a dangerous people.  "We" are the citizenry and the military.  I would wager that the citizenry have more weapons than the military.  And if you call upon the military to use their's on the citizenry, you'll probably get refusal.

I'd also wager that most of the citizenry know and support the Constitution and the rights that belong to themselves.  Most of the military know the meaning of the oaths they swore to support said Constitution.

So, if any branch of the government gets too full of itself, the citizenry, and the military, can and will revolt.

Dangerous people, we.


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Your analysis is completley bogus, but you are completley right that a military dictatorship would be very dangerous, and probably the only way that there will ever be confiscation of guns in America.

You can rest assured that if some General takes over, he will not permit any guns to those rebellious citizens.  

What do you think they teach in war college??

Fortunately, that won't be happening here, even though you find it an attractive fantasy.


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I would wager that the citizenry have more weapons than the military.

Granted you gun crazy citizens have way more .22s, .38s, deer rifles, shotguns and 9mms than the armed forces.

But they do have all the machine guns, artillery, rockets, missles, planes, tanks, landing craft, aircraft carriers, and special forces.

They can prolly hold their own in a pitched battle or even a geurilla situation!  heh


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So, if any branch of the government gets too full of itself, the citizenry, and the military, can and will revolt.

Dangerous people, we.

Wait what?..if WE are are they, and WE and the military decide to revolt against one of the branches of the government, will it be the military and us, (WE) against the Supreme Court on the battle field?  or will it be the Congress? or just the Whitehouse?  I say WE can take on all three at the same time.
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So, if any branch of the government gets too full of itself, the citizenry, and the military, can and will revolt.

Dangerous people, we.

Wait what?..if WE are are they, and WE and the military decide to revolt against one of the branches of the government, will it be the military and us, (WE) against the Supreme Court on the battle field?  or will it be the Congress? or just the Whitehouse?  I say WE can take on all three at the same time.

What'd you do?  Start happy hour early?

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So, if any branch of the government gets too full of itself, the citizenry, and the military, can and will revolt.

Dangerous people, we.

Wait what?..if WE are are they, and WE and the military decide to revolt against one of the branches of the government, will it be the military and us, (WE) against the Supreme Court on the battle field?  or will it be the Congress? or just the Whitehouse?  I say WE can take on all three at the same time.

What'd you do?  Start happy hour early?

I was born in America, every hour is happy hour after that TD.  What's your line?
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Exactly HOW is the president trying to "disarm" Americans, and in what way are they "dangerous"??

Seriously, I'd like honest answers to those questions.

Interesting that you describe Americans as "they".  Not "we".

"We" are a dangerous people.  "We" are the citizenry and the military.  I would wager that the citizenry have more weapons than the military.  And if you call upon the military to use their's on the citizenry, you'll probably get refusal.

I'd also wager that most of the citizenry know and support the Constitution and the rights that belong to themselves.  Most of the military know the meaning of the oaths they swore to support said Constitution.

So, if any branch of the government gets too full of itself, the citizenry, and the military, can and will revolt.

Dangerous people, we.

I considered typing "We" but figured you'd misinterpret that (deliberately or otherwise) to mean We liberals, from your point of view responding to me. Doesn't matter. It's a nitpick.

I figured your reference to "dangerous" meant armed revolt against our own government. People harboring that fantasy reject our founding principle of representative democracy, refusing to accept the result of majority vote. You would destroy our Constitution under the guise of saving it, and create a tyranny far worse than what you've been misled to believe exists now.

Part of that perceived tyranny is the notion that this president is trying to "disarm" the American people by abolishing or circumventing the 2nd Amendment.

Interesting that you didn't respond to that part of the question, because it would expose how baseless that narrative is.


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It sounds to me like it is TDale that wants to split the union, instead of join it. Don't tread on me.

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But they do have all the machine guns, artillery, rockets, missles, planes, tanks, landing craft, aircraft carriers, and special forces.

True but it's also a guarantee that a significant percentage of the US military will join the revolt and take their toys with them, plus another significant percentage that won't switch sides but will refuse to fight other US citizens.


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Part of that perceived tyranny is the notion that this president is trying to "disarm" the American people by abolishing or circumventing the 2nd Amendment.

Interesting that you didn't respond to that part of the question, because it would expose how baseless that narrative is.

I didn't posit that the POTUS was trying to disarm us.  I responded to your question about what I said.

Considering that participation by voting is less than 50%, you might want to reconsider the validity of "representative" and "majority".


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True but it's also a guarantee that a significant percentage of the US military will join the revolt and take their toys with them, plus another significant percentage that won't switch sides but will refuse to fight other US citizens.

All the more reason for demilitarization and supporting voters rights.

Personally I would rather have an uncomfortable democracy that is peaceful, than a military coup.


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Part of that perceived tyranny is the notion that this president is trying to "disarm" the American people by abolishing or circumventing the 2nd Amendment.

Interesting that you didn't respond to that part of the question, because it would expose how baseless that narrative is.

I didn't posit that the POTUS was trying to disarm us.  I responded to your question about what I said.

Considering that participation by voting is less than 50%, you might want to reconsider the validity of "representative" and "majority".

BS, TDale.

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We are much, much more dangerous.

(my bold) Nice try at squirming out of it, but your "for that" most definitely refers to Obama trying to disarm Americans. Which is why I asked you in the first place.

As for your contention that we don't have have a representative democracy with low voter turnout, where in the Constitution is the 50% voter participation threshold? Also, you should understand that in our Republic laws are passed by a majority in Congress, and there are rules regarding a quorum.

If you and others who share your views think elections results are not valid with sub-50 voter turnout, then get off your butts and vote. Is there anyone stopping you? There is indeed an ongoing effort at voter suppression, but I don't think you'd like the results if all those folks voted.

Oh, and BTW, turnout of all eligible voters was 57.5% in the 2012 presidential election


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With each of the 2 majors taking roughly an equal percentage of about 28% and 29% of eligible voters, that really means they both lost in the popular vote with 42.5% against them by NOT voting.


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No, it doesn't mean that at all. You are making an unsupported assumption about the intent of those who did not vote.

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You keep twisting like that to prove your point and you'll tweak something.

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Montana, I thought you were a champion of individual freedom??

Does that include the individual choice not to vote in an election, or not??

True but it's also a guarantee that a significant percentage of the US military will join the revolt and take their toys with them, plus another significant percentage that won't switch sides but will refuse to fight other US citizens.



You were in the military, were you not??

If so you know that fantasy is so unreal as to be just laughable.

When the Gerneral orders the Brigade commander, and he orders  the Division commander, and he orders the Regimental Commander, and he orders the Company commander, and he orders the Platoon Lieutenant, and he orders the Sergeants, they will do pretty much exactly what has been ordered.

Their whole world view is bound to that chain of command, and to unit cohesion.  Their might be politically motivated individual here and there, but not in the chain, and those individuals would be dealt with harshly.  You know this if you have been there.

They go out every morning, to the jungle, or the mountain, or the desert and expose themselves to death and dismemberment, for much less sensible reasons than defending the Constitution and our democratic government here at home.

Get real.


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I agree; MLW is likely to hurt himself.

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Starting to like you, regardless of your proclivities.  Salvageable.

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