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Glad to see someone else saying what I have been thinking:

There is one main reason why Iran is making conciliatory noises about its relationship with the U.S. and about the future of its nuclear program, and there is one main reason why Bashar al-Assad, the Syrian dictator, is signaling his intention to give up his stockpiles of chemical weapons.

The reason: President Barack Obama's toughness.

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The only constant in the Middle East is sudden and revolutionary change. Last week, Obama looked as if he had lost the plot. This week, he has created for himself a potentially historic opening. When he visits the United Nations next week, he might very well find himself shaking hands with the president of Iran. It is no small thing for an Iranian president to shake hands with the leader of the Great Satan. But Obama, by placing unbearable pressure on Iran, may have given Rohani no choice.


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and whatever the pundits may quibble over regarding "lame duck" Obama will be behind that Commander in Chief desk for three and half more years so there's no waiting him out.

Not that Hillary will be any pushover....
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I certainly hope that history will show his actions as successful ones.
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Obama's toughness, eh? Sounds like spin to me. I don't think chemical disarmament via diplomatic means was his initial plan, but at least he might get the results he sought.

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In the real world, results count for more than spin.

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It was his initial plan and he said so. He said he did not want to use military intervention in Syria.

Obama's toughness is through intellectualism. That's the difference between Liberals and Conservatives. Military action is a last resort to Thinking people. To the Bush-Cheney people in the world it's just another way to exploit a region for their business buddies.

Liberals think, Conservatives react.
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I'm not really concerned whether this was his initial plan or not.  But if the outcomes are positive, and we can refrain from raining bombs on yet another foreign country, then it would be one the biggest foreign policy successes of the century, thus far.
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I'm not really concerned whether this was his initial plan or not.  But if the outcomes are positive, and we can refrain from raining bombs on yet another foreign country, then it would be one the biggest foreign policy successes of the century, thus far.

No argument here. The alarmists on the right are decrying Obama's alleged lack of initiative, and this headline appears to be an equal (over)reaction.

There is a reason it is called "spin." It goes really fast in tight circles, wringing out the substance out of it, yet it somehow winds up in the same place it started. Both sides have mastered it.


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Mostly because the uninformed masses buy it. We have earned the government that we have. I would start first with upgrading Congress. Judging the merits of polls that are reacting to spin isn't anything resembling democracy.

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"upgrading Congress"

LOL. Great euphemism!


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You can't expect a representative government to be any better than the majority that votes for it.

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Yeeaaah.  We're trying to correct that.

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Yeeaaah.  We're trying to correct that.

By going after the angry old white man vote? Good luck with that. Do you live in Broun's district? Just a guess. Kind of like thinking that Jimmy voted for Cruz, there is a segment of society that is slowly circling the drain. Politics could use some liquid plumber.

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I do live in Broun's district.  And I'm working on getting rid of him.  He's damaged goods.  I've been a constant force for being rid of his insanity.

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You can't expect a representative government to be any better than the majority that votes for it.

Yeeaaah.  We're trying to correct that.

By going after the angry old white man vote? Good luck with that. Do you live in Broun's district? Just a guess. Kind of like thinking that Jimmy voted for Cruz, there is a segment of society that is slowly circling the drain. Politics could use some liquid plumber.

Why are you dawgin' a minority Eco, you got some racist in ya?
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This is rich.  Iran's recent "conciliatory noises" have nothing to do with a much more moderate president that was recently elected in Iran.  A president that is even making conciliatory overtures to Israel (ISRAEL!!).  

But this is really happening because Obama is so "tough".  Uh huh.  Shur.
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3 things that spin:
1. Poop going down the toilet
2. Washing machine
3. Politicians on both sides


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Unbearable pressure?

Please

He wanted to attack Syria and was cut off at his knees
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Pressure on Iran???

Sure...it must be hard for them not to laugh out loud watching Vlad push Barry around


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This is all just another tune, similar to the Right's Beloved Ronnie, but from the other side of the aisle.  Talk tough, and pursue diplomacy from behind the cover.  I see it from many cultures, and countries.  Teddy had a saying that at first glance was an opposing view, but the results might have been the same.

If we can avoid spending the $$ and get the same results, I am all for diplomacy.  In fact, diplomacy should be exhausted before we launch any military campaign.  Talk is just a preamble to either approach.  


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If he had wanted to attack Syria, he certainly had the means to do it. When it comes to pushing around the President, the American Right is allied with Putin with just about the same integrity in their arguments.

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Yeah billybabble, pressure on Iran. See the news today.

Obama is one fine diplomat and the American exceptionalist jingo crowd just hates it.

Obama is passive aggressive and brilliant.
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Please

He wanted to attack Syria and was cut off at his knees

Exactly.  It had nothing to do with toughness or brilliance.  Wasn't John Kerry who set the ball in motion?
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Does anybody think that the Secretary of State operates on his or her own separate from the commander in Chief?

This person is a diplomat that works for the Chief executive. That's why the Chief executive has appointment rights for the job.

Is it that hard to give some credit for a Black man in the white house?
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The results continue to pile up.

Even if the diplomatic maneuvers fail when we get to the nitty gritty, Obama will have clear sailing to use a lot more force, and with widespread international support, and both Iran and Syria, and Russia, are aware of that now, making objective progress on the diplomatic goals much more likely now.

Well played, President Obama.  Hang tough, don't blink.


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Typical left. If your against him you must be a racist.  Forty three percent approval rating, that's a lot of racists.
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"typical left"?

newsflash, despite the right-wing narrative, the right-wing is every bit as likely to throw around the
'racist' label as the left.  Remember how Glenn Beck smeared Obama as a racist, how Robert Reich was
smeared as a racist by the right, Rush Limbaugh is constantly smearing liberals as racists, etc....


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Hmmm, delicate diplomatic negotiations are so obvious to people that have trouble finding their butt with both hands. Good to know. Hiker01 will likely be appointed secretary of state when Michelle Bachman is elected president.  :p

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"Obama's Toughness Is Paying Off"

BO threatened to send Michelle in a big floral dress to negotiations.


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Well done Jimmy!  A Texas twofer.

Sexist and racist, with glee.

Are you running for statewide office??


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