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Here is a chance to follow in detail the growth of leading atheist from the boring middle class Christian that he was raised.

An Appetite for Wonder is a detailed memoir of Dawkin's life, so far.

This memoir is a fascinating account of one man's attempt to find answers to some of the most difficult questions posed to mankind.

http://www.npr.org/2013....-wonder

His experience sounds quite a bit like several posters here, except he is a very gifted biologist and popular writer!


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This thread will go over great with Lame, Tdummie and JimmyCornhole I'll bet.

RD has forgot more about Science than the three amigos will ever know.
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I've never been a big fan of Dawkins, he just comes across as too pompous for my taste.
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He had time to write and host "Family Feud"?

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I loved him on Hogan's Heroes

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That's correct, all British people are the same.

Actually Dawkins was born in Kenya, just like Obama.

Do some homework Jingos!
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That's correct, all British people are the same.

Actually Dawkins was born in Kenya, just like Obama.

Do some homework Jingos!

I find all clowns to be the same.  Dawkins, or Dawkins, or tamarac.

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Not to mention the fact that you have to be able to read to understand the book.

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Comprehension is indeed part of the issue, although Tdummie hasn't figured that out yet.

He not yet comprehends that he does not comprehend well.

I'm tryin'!
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Tammie, all you're tryin' is my patience.  Even that is minor.

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"New Richard Dawkins Book"


Who cares about Family Fued?................scheesh!


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Hatfields and McCoys Jimmy, don't you know anything about peckerneck American history? Do they have schools in Texas?
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I've never been a big fan of Dawkins, he just comes across as too pompous for my taste.

I think that's because of the English accent. :D

There are a lot of feminists in the Freethinkers movement that feel the same way as you.


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Hmmmmm.....I have read almost all of Dawkins work, and heard him give lectures many times, and I just don't get the pompous idea. He is a sensitive emotional man who happens to be a brilliant Scientist and writer and has a passion for the way he see's our universe. He believes it is time for human developed science based secular societies and stop pandering to religions that are but a hallmark of human history. Religions are traditional and not actually needed anymore in his view. All he does is state that position and why. Just don't see a problem.
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It's that whole "Survey Says" thing that stinks of pomposity.

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Well sure. Reactionaries don't like surveys because they know everything already and don't need them. Just ask them.
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Well sure. Reactionaries don't like surveys because they know everything already and don't need them. Just ask them.

"Reactionaries don't like surveys"...............................I told you Family Fued, the survey says.........

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He had time to write and host "Family Feud"?


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Tammie, all you're tryin' is my patience.  Even that is minor.


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The "Three Amigos" indeed. They'd be funny if they weren't such pathetic losers.

Nothing changes in TPA, does it? Three idiots (who coincidentally prove the notion that a bad penny will always drive out the good), all of whom are intent on merely killing time and drawing attention to themselves because they have nothing else in their little lives.
ETA: Why don't the three of you swing down to your lowest common key and issue some "internet epithet" - in unison, of course.
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Tammie, all you're tryin' is my patience.  Even that is minor.


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The "Three Amigos" indeed. They'd be funny if they weren't such pathetic losers.

Nothing changes in TPA, does it? Three idiots (who coincidentally prove the notion that a bad penny will always drive out the good), all of whom are intent on merely killing time and drawing attention to themselves because they have nothing else in their little lives.
ETA: Why don't the three of you swing down to your lowest common key and issue some "internet epithet" - in unison, of course.

Which three Gabby? Tdale, Tdale and BillBab?...........................LOL

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Revision-Reactionaries only like surveys if they agree with their pre-conceived ideas.

The three amigos I mentioned are Lamebeaver, Tdummie and JimmyCrackcorn. Oh don't fret there are many more here.

Billybabble for another.
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I saw Dawkins in Yuppy City last year. He is a good speaker, and I enjoy some of his work.

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Hmmmmm.....I have read almost all of Dawkins work, and heard him give lectures many times, and I just don't get the pompous idea. He is a sensitive emotional man who happens to be a brilliant Scientist and writer and has a passion for the way he see's our universe. He believes it is time for human developed science based secular societies and stop pandering to religions that are but a hallmark of human history. Religions are traditional and not actually needed anymore in his view. All he does is state that position and why. Just don't see a problem.

Yeah - I understand and agree with a good deal of what he believes as well. But it's easy to talk science to someone like you, preaching to the choir, so to speak. What he does a poor job of IMO is speaking to those who do not already agree with him or are on the fence. The various scientific fields IMO often lack true national/international ambassadors who can effectively transition between science and laymen speak, and do so while generating enthusiasm and excitement for their field of study. DeGrasse and Kaku are two physicists who do a good job of this and IMO Dawkins does not do the same for biology. Also, as Eco said, he is a stinkin' Brit so that doesn't help!  :D

I think Dawkins would be more effective if he stuck to positively speaking about what he does believe, without getting stuck in the debate of what he doesn't believe. I think the net efffect of what he would like to accomplish would be more effectively reached with that approach.

I am really looking forward to attending some upcoming events hosted by Lawrence Krauss and the Origins Institute at ASU:

Krauss with Bill Nye
Science Humor with Bill Nye the Science Guy
http://origins.asu.edu/events/science-humor-bill-nye-science-guy

REALLY looking forward to this one in Feb!
Great Debate Parallel Realities: Is There One Universe?
http://origins.asu.edu/events....niverse

Although I just realized it looks like they changed some of the speakers - a month or so ago it listed Hawking and ...someone else I cannot remember now.
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Hmmmmm.....I have read almost all of Dawkins work, and heard him give lectures many times, and I just don't get the pompous idea. He is a sensitive emotional man who happens to be a brilliant Scientist and writer and has a passion for the way he see's our universe. He believes it is time for human developed science based secular societies and stop pandering to religions that are but a hallmark of human history. Religions are traditional and not actually needed anymore in his view. All he does is state that position and why. Just don't see a problem.

Yeah - I understand and agree with a good deal of what he believes as well. But it's easy to talk science to someone like you, preaching to the choir, so to speak. What he does a poor job of IMO is speaking to those who do not already agree with him or are on the fence. The various scientific fields IMO often lack true national/international ambassadors who can effectively transition between science and laymen speak, and do so while generating enthusiasm and excitement for their field of study. DeGrasse and Kaku are two physicists who do a good job of this and IMO Dawkins does not do the same for biology. Also, as Eco said, he is a stinkin' Brit so that doesn't help!  :D

I think Dawkins would be more effective if he stuck to positively speaking about what he does believe, without getting stuck in the debate of what he doesn't believe. I think the net efffect of what he would like to accomplish would be more effectively reached with that approach.

I am really looking forward to attending some upcoming events hosted by Lawrence Krauss and the Origins Institute at ASU:

Krauss with Bill Nye
Science Humor with Bill Nye the Science Guy
http://origins.asu.edu/events/science-humor-bill-nye-science-guy

REALLY looking forward to this one in Feb!
Great Debate Parallel Realities: Is There One Universe?
http://origins.asu.edu/events....niverse

Although I just realized it looks like they changed some of the speakers - a month or so ago it listed Hawking and ...someone else I cannot remember now.

One of the great ambassadors of science:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM
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Hmmmmm.....I have read almost all of Dawkins work, and heard him give lectures many times, and I just don't get the pompous idea. He is a sensitive emotional man who happens to be a brilliant Scientist and writer and has a passion for the way he see's our universe. He believes it is time for human developed science based secular societies and stop pandering to religions that are but a hallmark of human history. Religions are traditional and not actually needed anymore in his view. All he does is state that position and why. Just don't see a problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjxZ6MrBl9E

"A mind like that is a disgrace to the human species" = a pompous, off-putting statement that is great to get some applause from some of those who already agree with you, but does very little to advance science to those who have not embraced it. To be clear,  I am not saying this is representative of the entirety of who Dawkins is and in fact ultimately represents a smallish part of how he presents himself, but the tone of this video is one example of how he turns people off, even people like me who ultimately agree with his scientific views. Honestly, from what I have seen of some of your posts, you seem to have a similar approach...to each his own.

I would submit that the traditional views and applications of many religions/adherents are fundamentally wrong in looking at them as historical fact as opposed to metaphorical truths. This does not mean they are not needed anymore, it means the understanding and application of those religions needs to be adjusted. Even if you don't think this is the case, don't you think it is more reasonable "first step" toward your end game than jumping to "you are completely wrong and should change your point of view entirely"?
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Some people write books about finding God.  Some people write about a journey away from God.

Some find these books fascinating and inspirational.

Some people would rather read maps.
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I like reading maps, especially geologic maps. They can be very informative to a botanist. I don't expect some people to get this, but I do respect the opinions of the Gabby gentleman from Texas that isn't trying to win over the hopelessly deluded. Likewise Wailer, I respect your gentle ways of trying to teach. Everyone needs to pick their battles, with the skill set they bring to the fight. Some win over converts while others rally the base. Some have no skill for the fight whatsoever.

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I like reading maps, especially geologic maps. They can be very informative to a botanist. I don't expect some people to get this, but I do respect the opinions of the Gabby gentleman from Texas that isn't trying to win over the hopelessly deluded. Likewise Wailer, I respect your gentle ways of trying to teach. Everyone needs to pick their battles, with the skill set they bring to the fight. Some win over converts while others rally the base. Some have no skill for the fight whatsoever.

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I like reading maps, especially geologic maps. They can be very informative to a botanist. I don't expect some people to get this, but I do respect the opinions of the Gabby gentleman from Texas that isn't trying to win over the hopelessly deluded. Likewise Wailer, I respect your gentle ways of trying to teach. Everyone needs to pick their battles, with the skill set they bring to the fight. Some win over converts while others rally the base. Some have no skill for the fight whatsoever.

Eco - I always appreciate your perspective and agree that it is a good thing, and ultimately just a fact of reality to have different folks bring a varying degree of skill sets to the table and utilize those as effectively as possible, although sometimes I forget and just wish everyone would think like me - what a boring freaking world that would be! :D

Trevor Paglen has used his advanced degree in geography and skill in reading maps (both land and sky) to do some interesting photography. In the past he has been able to determine the location of secret government installations and photograph them from as much as 40 miles away with high power zoom lenses. He more recently has been working on "black satelite" photography, determining the location of spy satelites and capturing them with astrophotography techniques.

http://www.wired.com/culture/art/news/2008/06/secret_satellites

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Paglen's initial interest in the government's so-called "black projects" took shape while combing through U.S. Geological Survey archives of satellite prison photos in 2002. He noticed that many of the photo frames of prison sites were missing or, in some cases, heavily edited.

"I thought: What the hell is this? We still have blank spots on maps? We've mapped the whole structure of the cosmos and the human genome, so what's this all about?" Paglen said.

Eventually, those blank spots led Paglen to other covert subjects and turned a hobby into a full-time job -- one with a decidedly political stance.

"For a time, people were getting arrested for photographing the Brooklyn Bridge," Paglen notes. "So to me, what it meant to do photography also changed. There was a new kind of politics to it -- something that was very aggressive and dangerous -- and a presumption that it would reveal some kind of truth or evidence."
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I have posted this before, but seems again relevent (to me anyway). One of my favorite myths that illustrates how I think about current "gods" of many of today's religions, all thinking they are THE God, not realizing they are soon to be ants. The parallels to what I think about multiverse theories and the complexities of "existence", that to me dwarf current (~2,000 years) concepts of god are pretty fascinating...

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At the gate of a grand, new palace that was being built, there appeared a beautiful blue boy with a lot of children around him, just admiring his beauty. The porter at the gate of the new palace went running in to the king god Indra, and Indra said, "Well, bring in the boy." The boy was brought in, and Indra, sitting on his throne said, "Young man, welcome. And what brings you to my palace?" "Well," said the boy with a voice like thunder rolling on the horizon, "I have been told that you are building such a palace as no Indra before you ever built." Surprised, Indra said, "Indras before me, young man— what are you talking about?"

The boy says, "Indras before you. I have seen them come and go, come and go. Just think, Vishnu sleeps in the cosmic ocean, and the lotus of the universe grows from his navel. On the lotus sits Brahma, the creator. Brahma opens his eyes, and a world comes into being, governed by an Indra. Brahma closes his eyes, and a world goes out of being. The life of a Brahma is 432,000 years. When he dies the lotus goes back, and another lotus is formed, and another Brahma. Then think of the galaxies beyond galaxies in infinite space, each a lotus, with a Brahma sitting on it, opening his eyes, closing his eyes. And Indras? There may be wise men in your court who would volunteer to count the drops of water in the oceans or the grains of sand on the beaches, but no one would count those Brahmin, let alone those Indras."

While the boy was talking, an army of ants paraded across the floor. The boy laughed when he saw them, and Indra's hair stood on end, and he says to the boy, "Why do you laugh?" The boy answered, "Don't ask unless you are willing to be hurt."

Indra says, "I ask. Teach." And so the boy points to the ants and says, "Former Indras all. Through many lifetimes they rise from the lowest conditions to the highest illumination, and then down they go again."
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Big map reader, especially of the Winds. Secret government installations and spy satellites don't intrigue me however. Gave up the paranoia ghost at about 16 years old.
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