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I suppose as a Democrat advocate and supporter I should be happy to see this trend, but it just boggles the mind, and is very discouraging to consider that this kind of demogoguery works on a significant portion of the American public.

Quite depressing, really.

The competition to be the next Ted Cruz is extremely hot within the Republican Party, where a number of emerging challengers are hoping to capitalize on the newest brand name in conservative politics.

In Kansas, Milton R. Wolf opened his fundraising pitch to supporters last week by asking them whether he could be the next Cruz candidate. In Mississippi, Chris McDaniel announced his campaign to unseat Sen. Thad Cochran last week and welcomed the comparison to Mr. Cruz, calling it “a compliment.”

Then there’s Ben Sasse, a university president running for Nebraska’s U.S. Senate seat, who set state fundraising records by opposing Obamacare. He told the Lincoln Journal Star last week that he would have voted with Mr. Cruz to keep the government shut down last week, saying it was a better option than continuing to spend and run up debt.

“They’re tapping into the anti-establishment feelings that are really running high among Republican primary voters,” said Ron Bonjean, a GOP consultant.

In many ways, Mr. Cruz has become the shorthand for the “tea party,” which was already a shorthand way to categorize conservative voters who subscribe to a low-spending, low-taxes philosophy of government.

Mr. Cruz also became a shorthand for tactics after he led a 21 hour, 19 minute filibuster in September and insisted that fellow Republicans refuse to fund the rest of government until President Obama agreed to cancel the Affordable Care Act.


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The best way to move America away from the brink, and back towards the Center, is to outlaw Gerrymandering.  Figure out how many voters need to be in each district, and go about drawing the lines as close to natural boundaries as possible.  Using county lines, or rivers, or even sides of the same street, would make for better representation of our true American voter than what we have today.  


How hard is it to draw district lines that are close to 700K people?  or 500K voters?  Ok, so it might be tough in some states where the population is all packed in one long metropolitan area, but other than that?


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The best way to move America away from the brink, and back towards the Center, is to outlaw Gerrymandering.  Figure out how many voters need to be in each district, and go about drawing the lines as close to natural boundaries as possible.  Using county lines, or rivers, or even sides of the same street, would make for better representation of our true American voter than what we have today.  


How hard is it to draw district lines that are close to 700K people?  or 500K voters?  Ok, so it might be tough in some states where the population is all packed in one long metropolitan area, but other than that?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but high-concentration Republican (or Democratic) districts aren't an intentional result of gerrymandering. The point of gerrymandering is to create as many districts as possible with a reasonably safe majority; districts that are, say, 70% your people are, in effect, 'wasting' voters (who could do more good for the party if they were in more competitive districts).

Highly polarized districts are probably more a function of settlement patterns: minority voters (who go overwhelmingly for Democrats) tend to be highly concentrated in urban areas, while rural areas tend to be overwhelmingly white and conservative. (That's an oversimplified way to put it, but broadly it holds true.)


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"Slow Learners of America "


Y'all say that again, I didn't get it.........................


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Why don't we do away with the electoral process? One vote one person.

The representation of widely different constituencies is the heart of the republic and is exactly why our government and election processes are dismal and dysfunctional.

The world is much more complicated than when the founders put their ideas together.
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The best way to move America away from the brink, and back towards the Center, is to outlaw Gerrymandering.  Figure out how many voters need to be in each district, and go about drawing the lines as close to natural boundaries as possible.  Using county lines, or rivers, or even sides of the same street, would make for better representation of our true American voter than what we have today.  


How hard is it to draw district lines that are close to 700K people?  or 500K voters?  Ok, so it might be tough in some states where the population is all packed in one long metropolitan area, but other than that?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but high-concentration Republican (or Democratic) districts aren't an intentional result of gerrymandering. The point of gerrymandering is to create as many districts as possible with a reasonably safe majority; districts that are, say, 70% your people are, in effect, 'wasting' voters (who could do more good for the party if they were in more competitive districts).

Highly polarized districts are probably more a function of settlement patterns: minority voters (who go overwhelmingly for Democrats) tend to be highly concentrated in urban areas, while rural areas tend to be overwhelmingly white and conservative. (That's an oversimplified way to put it, but broadly it holds true.)

I am not sure we are even talking about the same thing.  Yes, we are both against gerrymandering for political gain, but??

I never said anything about 70%, or even polarized districts.  Personally, I do not care if the voters are Urban, Rural, or Suburban.  500,000 voters, or 700,000 people.  This is what each member of the House is supposed to be representative of, approximately.  

I do not agree with any drawing districts by how many of which voters live there.  If 1.5 million people live in the city of Portland, they get 2 Representatives, and we can try to find a good way to split it evenly.  If another 1.5 million people live in the rest of Oregon, surely we can find a way to split them evenly without considering which are R and which are D.

I guess I am for districts that are closer to a 50/50 split, but that would require knowing who was who.  


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Here's an idea:

No congressional districts. A state gets their allotment based on population as usual; 7, for example. Voters can register with one party for the primary and vote for up to 7 candidates in that primary. In the general election every voter can vote for up to 7, including candidates from different parties. Top 7 vote getters represent the state.


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Proportional voting could work pretty well for the House Districts, but after all these years of tortorous bending of the lines to get where we are, it would take a Constitutional amendment by iniative to abandon the safe districts for proportional voting.

Of course Party hacks, on both sides, hate it because it gives the power to the people and they would have to devise whole new strategies to game the system.  Again.


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Y'all say that again, I didn't get it.........................

You know.....the folks that voted for Obama

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