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http://vimeo.com/m/63749370

Very long.  Watch 15 minutes and you'll get the idea the author is trying to get across.


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http://vimeo.com/m/63749370

Very long.  Watch 15 minutes and you'll get the idea the author is trying to get across.

I feel genuinely sorry for anyone so frightened and gullible that they would believe something that spectacularly deranged.

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"When people figure it out...they're going to start revolting." Hate to break it to the guy, but those people are already revolting. (Maybe not in the way he means, though...)


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Never been a shortage of denialists, defeatists and propagandists.

Or gloom and doom paranoids.

Just think if we didn't have these people there would be no GOP.

Traditionalists are always negative because traditions have a difficult time lasting.

Our life is an evolution in progress both biological and cultural.

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Where is America headed?

To the dustbin of history, if voting citizens actually swallow such ludicrous reactionary propaganda.

The film starts by insinuating the American Left is to blame for all the slaughter in the wars of the 21st century. What follows piles more and more fecal matter on that foundation of unadulerated BS.

Anyone who can't smell that stench is severely lacking in sense that should be common to normal people capable of using the brain they were born with.


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Between 8:00 and 9:00 gives you the Clif Notes. The downfall of America is all tied to homosexual lifestyles, women's liberation, Marxist professors and the liberal media.  And if you support any of that but aren't an avowed Commie yourself, then you're just one of Lenin's "useful idiots," by default.  I also caught where he blamed all the wartime deaths of the entire 20th century on liberalism, right there at the start.

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What about Jews?  I'm sure there must be some Jews in there somewhere...
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Between 8:00 and 9:00 gives you the Clif Notes. The downfall of America is all tied to homosexual lifestyles, women's liberation, Marxist professors and the liberal media.  And if you support any of that but aren't an avowed Commie yourself, then you're just one of Lenin's "useful idiots," by default.  I also caught where he blamed all the wartime deaths of the entire 20th century on liberalism, right there at the start.

Good stuff.

Indeed. And just as asinine and counterproductive as some others (not you) try to pin all ills of humanity onto religion. As simplistic as it is erroneous.

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I can't imagine anyone watching it, let alone thinking there was a reason to share it.

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I can't imagine anyone watching it, let alone thinking there was a reason to share it.

C'mon Eco, your imagination is better than that.

Surely you've seen enough teahatters and heard enough RW rhetoric to know there are millions of people gullible and ignorant enough to swallow the nonsense in that video.

And it's not a bad idea to "share" it, if only to illustrate how deranged a not insignificant chunk of the American public has become (though I'm not so sure that was Squaretop's intent).


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Yeah Hitler and Stalin were real liberal thinkers. And those imperialistic Japanese leaders? Real open minded folks there.

It's hard to fathom how grown American adults can be so clueless about things that just happen to matter.
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I agree with you.


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And this will be our undoing.  Where do you think all this chaos comes from?  Every year it becomes more of a welfare state.

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YouTube is full of stupid crap. Lots of climate denial, anti-vaccine propaganda, conspiracies theories about HARP, chemtrails, the Luminati, the Jews, Sharia law and on and on. I am amazed by the number of intelligent people that have sent me links to the movie Zeitgeist, completely convinced that 9/11 was an inside job. I suppose there is some advantage to knowing who the wing nuts are.

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We already are a welfare state, and I hope it continues.

A welfare state with an economy that produces a GDP of 14 trillion a year.

The paranoia is beyond ignorance.
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And this will be our undoing.  Where do you think all this chaos comes from?  Every year it becomes more of a welfare state.

My god, you're right. In a few years we'll all be in mass concentration camps, like the Swedish. Or toiling as forced labor on collectivized farms, like the French. Or exterminated en masse by our own government, like the Dutch.

Except, wait--we aren't actually becoming more of a welfare state, we're becoming less of one. (Even healthcare reform, which would reasonably incorporate socialist principles, is based almost entirely on market competition among private providers.) So, maybe, not so much.


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The people who buy into the nonsense put forward in that video are perceptive enough to realize we face some difficult problems, but they lack the education and/or intellect to cut through the blatant BS in that propaganda. It makes them easy to manipulate by playing on their fears while pretending to stand up for religious and patriotic values.

I'd like to think most people have enough sense not to be fooled by such garbage, but apparently some folks are incapable of critical thought.


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Oh noz!  We're a welfare state!  



(wait...who exactly is on this "welfare"?)

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The jews produced it. Don't you know the jews own Hollywood?
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It's worth watching a little bit of it just to get some insight into the apocalyptic mindset of the people who shut down the government (and nearly caused a global economic meltdown). If you believe what they believe, then the genocidal freedom-killing Obama has to be stopped by any means necessary.

Those people cannot be reasoned with, cannot be negotiated with, cannot be reached in any way. The only hope for a more functional system is to keep them far away from government.


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I've run into a similar mindset over a right wing think tanks publication, 350 pages, about how the Muslim Brotherhood is infiltrating the US and using Sharia law to take over. There was a Senate hearing over the report and the FBI called it BS. Fear mongers telling lies are what is undermining our democracy.

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I had a co-worker a few years back, a nice guy a little older than me. He lived nearby so we got together a couple Sundays to watch football, even after he left the company.

After Obama was elected (the first time) he started forwarding to me a bunch of emails with the RW nonsense that makes the rounds on the internet. Time after time I did a little research and showed him just how erroneous each one was; he thanked me for the reply but kept on sending it (and believing it).

Finally I asked him why he would continue to believe blatant lies and propaganda, and pointed out how he was being manipulated by sources that purported to represent religious and patriotic values but rely on misinformation to make their point.

He couldn't dispute one thing in any of my replies, but after I put him on the spot he stopped all communications and I haven't heard from him in years.

Some people are predisposed to believe such nonsense, and there simply is no reasoning with them.


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Of course not ! That's a recent invention !

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I have been concerned about the demonstrations waving the Virginia battle flag, but the immediate spur to make that post was this thread, inciting traitors to sedition once again.

There is an extreme element active in our body politic that is attempting in every way they can conceive to secede from mainstream America, and they need to be confronted where ever they show their faces, IMO.


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I have been concerned about the demonstrations waving the Virginia battle flag, but the immediate spur to make that post was this thread, inciting traitors to sedition once again.

There is an extreme element active in our body politic that is attempting in every way they can conceive to secede from mainstream America, and they need to be confronted where ever they show their faces, IMO.

I think they consider themselves  to be mainstream America, which is why THEY want to take THEIR country back.

Case in point -- the title of this thread and the content of the video. They think America is being destroyed by homosexuals, atheists, immigrants, feminists, and anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan.

They're ignorant, they're angry, they're scared, and they're ripe for manipulation by demagogues and slick propaganda spouting God & Country and pointing a finger at those people  to blame for our country's problems.

They see themselves as real American patriots, even (or especially) when waving the Confederate flag.

They revere the word "freedom" but if they had their way they'd erase the last half century of civil rights, womens rights, gay rights, and they'd embrace with open arms the Christian Dominionism that would spell the end of religious freedom in this country.

They rail against "tyranny" but they'd be eager foot soldiers for a real life tyrant cloaked in the flag and carrying the bible.

"They" are the gullible fools taken in by the rabid propaganda in the "movie" at the start of this thread.


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I have been concerned about the demonstrations waving the Virginia battle flag, but the immediate spur to make that post was this thread, inciting traitors to sedition once again.

There is an extreme element active in our body politic that is attempting in every way they can conceive to secede from mainstream America, and they need to be confronted where ever they show their faces, IMO.

I think they consider themselves  to be mainstream America, which is why THEY want to take THEIR country back.

Case in point -- the title of this thread and the content of the video. They think America is being destroyed by homosexuals, atheists, immigrants, feminists, and anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan.

They're ignorant, they're angry, they're scared, and they're ripe for manipulation by demagogues and slick propaganda spouting God & Country and pointing a finger at those people  to blame for our country's problems.

They see themselves as real American patriots, even (or especially) when waving the Confederate flag.

They revere the word "freedom" but if they had their way they'd erase the last half century of civil rights, womens rights, gay rights, and they'd embrace with open arms the Christian Dominionism that would spell the end of religious freedom in this country.

They rail against "tyranny" but they'd be eager foot soldiers for a real life tyrant cloaked in the flag and carrying the bible.

"They" are the gullible fools taken in by the rabid propaganda in the "movie" at the start of this thread.

I am much more concerned about the slow erosion of our country by a population that is inceasingly self centered, self indulgent, materialistic, closed minded, arrogant - and insecure!

And the responses are generally to blame "the other side" - so much easier to do then to take a good hard look at our collective selves.

Could we ever stop attacking each other and re-focus on the boring basics like our fast deteriorating public education and infrastructure systems?  So much fighting on the 'higher' wants of life while neglecting the fact that we are losing our competitiveness on multiple fronts (which is what gets us the basic needs of life that many of us here just seem to take for granted).

No, the sky isn't falling.  But it is often a slow erosion (or grinding as per the thread title) that ulimately saps a nation's spirit.  It ain't just the church goers.  And it ain't just the homos either.  It's all of us who feel entitled - that the problem is "just" someone else taking away what "should be" ours.


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B2W, I pretty much agree with what you wrote, except the last sentence. Sounds like an argument to cut SS & Medicare (balance the budget on the backs of the poor & elderly) while letting the rich continue to grab and ever greater slice of the pie.

I also want to point out I wasn't blaming or attacking the "other side" so much as I was excoriating the content of that video and those who go along with it (which I hope is a fairly small minority of extremists who are beyond reason).

Getting to the root of our problems, I expressed what I thought about that in paragraphs 6 & 7 in this post in the Why shouldn't the wealthy pay more? thread.


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Drifty:

Thanks.  No, I wasn't picking on any specific program per se - my concern was on the general sense of entitlement...


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