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Since we are talking about logic, critical thinking and cultural bias this morning I thought this would be a good subject for examination as we come up on the 50th Anniversary of the JFK assassination.

One of the best examples of society wide mob mentality in US history, IMO.  And, as the writer points out, it is a mob mentality that shifts with cultural bias over the decades.  Check it out:

“We analyzed everything we could find, from the facts, to the myths that keep getting repeated,” Meltzer says. “We so want to believe there's a conspiracy. Why?  Because we don’t want to believe that our government could be jackknifed by a high school dropout.”

But sometimes the facts don’t line up with the myth. Here, Meltzer shares with Yahoo 10 aspects of the JFK assassination most Americans may not know, whether because they’re little-known facts or because the myth is a better story.

10. The window from which Oswald shot Kennedy went missing. On Nov. 22, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald leaned out a window on the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository in Dallas and fired three shots. Six years after the assassination, Gen. D. Harold Byrd, owner of the building, had the window removed. “This being Texas,” Meltzer says, “he had it framed and hung in his mansion.” The only problem? It was the wrong window, according to Aubrey Mayhew, the building’s later owner. Mayhew pried out what he said was the right window. Both windows eventually ended up on eBay; Meltzer believes Mayhew’s is the “real” one.

9. Plenty of shooters recreated Oswald’s shot. One of the more pervasive myths surrounding the JFK assassination was the idea that no other shooter could replicate Oswald’s feat of shooting three times in 6.75 seconds. So another shooter must have been involved, right? Not necessarily. The Warren Commission reported that one marksman was able to pull off the feat in 4.6 seconds, and a later CBS investigation showed that 11 marksmen averaged 5.6 seconds. Also, Oswald’s shot was, for a trained shooter, relatively easy. Oswald and other military marksmen are trained to shoot anywhere from 200 to 500 yards. Kennedy was 88 yards from Oswald at his farthest point, and 59 yards away at the time of the last shot.

8. Oliver Stone’s "JFK" damaged history. “Oliver Stone is a great filmmaker,” Meltzer says. “But his film 'JFK' did a great disservice to history by mixing fact and fiction. For the 20 million people that saw it in theaters, and the millions who have seen it afterward, that became the official record of the assassination.” Meltzer notes that several characters in the movie were created for the purposes of storytelling and had no relation whatsoever to real events.

7. There was no “Magic Bullet.” The most pervasive myth perpetuated by “JFK” was the idea that a single bullet could have passed through Kennedy’s body, changed direction twice, and then entered the body of Texas Gov. John Connally, riding in the limo’s front seat, before emerging pristine. “You’d think there’s no way one bullet could do that, and you’d be right … if the men were sitting facing forward like they were in an airplane. Governor Connally was turned to the right, and the bullet traveled in a straight line. Also, Meltzer points out, FBI investigators have noted that the bullet is in no way “pristine”; it’s flat on one side.

6. The U.S. government erred in keeping its investigation secret. In 1964, the Warren Commission held the investigation into the assassination behind closed doors. As later review of the proceedings has shown, the absence of publicly released information allowed speculation to spread in many dark (and often incorrect) directions.

5. Kennedy’s family chose to keep secrets as well. JFK’s family made the understandable, but regrettable, decision to keep Kennedy’s hospital and autopsy records under wraps. As with the Warren Commission, Meltzer says, this gave the inaccurate perception that the Kennedy family had something to hide. And it meant the American public didn't get to see the actual evidence.

4. The government is not keeping very many JFK secrets, and won’t keep any for much longer. One benefit of the JFK film, Meltzer notes, is that it led to the declassification of 97 percent of all government documents related to the Kennedy assassination. The other 3 percent will be declassified in 2017, unless the president decides to keep them under wraps.

3. Were there really “mysterious deaths?” One of the pervasive rumors surrounding the investigation into JFK’s death was that many witnesses died of mysterious circumstances. Nonsense, Meltzer says. “The idea that there was a hit squad going around tying off loose ends just doesn’t hold up,” he says. “Many of the people died long after giving testimony. And most died of heart disease. The No. 1 killer of Americans is heart disease. A few were unusual, but not as many as people say.”

2. There was no “fourth shot” from the grassy knoll. The Warren Commission found that there were three shots fired in the assassination. Several years later, the House Select Committee on Assassinations indicated that an audio recording discovered later found that there was a fourth shot, and it must have come from a “grassy knoll” near the depository. Problem is, 12 acoustics experts ruled out the possibility of a fourth shot. Moreover, that fourth shot came a minute after Oswald’s shots, a time when the motorcade was already well on the way to the hospital.

1. The true killer of JFK was … As Meltzer notes, the “true killer” of JFK in the popular imagination changes depending on the mood of the time. “In the 1960s, we believed it was the Soviets. In the 1970s, it was the CIA, as we distrusted our own government. In the 1980s, with the rise of Mob movies, it was the Mafia. Now, we believe our own government was in on it. JFK's killer is whoever we're most afraid of at the time.”


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Back in the early 1980's I was able to stand in the window where Oswald supposedly took the shots.

I thought I was a pretty good shot at the time, but realized I couldn't have made that shot without a lot of luck.

I'm looking forward to the declassified release in 2017 as I'm curious as to what secrets is holds.


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Right up until Oswald was assassinated I was okay which his acting alone.

After that happened? No way in hell.
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Ok, Oswald was the only gunman, I've always believed that.  Who was he working for?

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The 10 "facts" did not address what many believe is an exit wound at the BACK of Kennedy's head.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0bIRkv29xk

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but this is a reminder that I should re-read Libra (Don DeLillo). Great novel.

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Interesting that there is no comment about the shifting culture bias for who was "really" behind the assassination, don' you think?

Russia-Commies-Cuba-Mafia-CIA-US government, whoever the current boogie man might be among the nut case conspiracy theorists.

I would consider an 88 yard shot at a deer or an elk to be a gimme.  Have killed several between 2-300 yards.  I even killed a running antelope at under 100 yards, one time.  But it was a pretty lucky shot, and I am no sharp shooter.


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My feeling is that Oswald did shoot at JFK 3 times from that window, yes 88 yards is not all that much for that 1940 rifle, but there is a possibility that a security guard did accidentally discharge his gun from a car behind (possibly the reason for the almost simultaneous 2nd and 3rd shot) that causing a huge amount of problems explaining to the public what happened.
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Sorry I ment a  Secret Service agent, George hickey.
Some witnesses mentioned the smell of gun powder, unlikly to come from that 6th floor window.
Interestingly a guy that was looking at that window and saw Oswald shoot (acoording to his version) only heard 2 shots.
Hickey had an AR15 5.56mm rifle.
The Carcano rifle used by Oswald fired 6.5mm bullets.
One of the rear entry wounds on JFK was 6mm wide
BTW, for all I know, a wound could expand or cotract after a bullet passes through...
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JFK:THe Smoking Gun on REELZ

different bullets were used, only 30 minutes into 2 hour show!
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Sounds like the facts support the original report.
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Sounds like the facts support the original report.

Are you referring to the Warren report? If so, some of the key facts do not support it.

The "Smoking Gun" show dayhiker9 mentioned dealt with the facts of the ballistics and angle of entry wound. It demonstrated that a full metal jacket round went through JFK's neck & Connally, while an explosive round caused the massive head trauma to the president's skull.

Two different types of ammo, with the skull shot coming from a much lower angle than the Depository window.


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