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http://www.nytimes.com/2013....rg.html

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Profit over news.  Sadly, this is nothing new, over there or here.

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If there were no profit, there would be no news.  The news industry is just a step above entertainment.
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Caving to bullying is always a choice. But choices are limited with such an authoritarian state.
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Not to support the Chinese government ways... but I recall one US senator calling Jerry Yang (ex Yahoo exec) a moral midget for complying with Chinese laws by handing requested data over... and then we hear all this stuff about our companies handing over data to the FBI, CIA, NSA -- on top of all the stuff that some of these organizations "steal".  Oh, and supposedly, these companies are required by law to deny the above when it comes to the NSA??

If the Snowden stuff is true (even just some of it)... I am not sure that our government stealthy ways are really any better than other government's crude / direct ways...  In some ways, ours can be more dangerous to our society.

But back to news... I have watched Chinese news.  The ugly part is the outright censorship.  But over there, celebs are not generally front page news, unlike here.

IMHO, the best news "balance" -- not so censored and not so entertainment oriented -- is al Jazeera.  And that's a sad testament to our news organizatins -- like CNN -- never mind the even more hideous and bias ones like Fox.


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This too is a form of muzzling -- and a lot more sinister.

China (and others) have their issues.  Methinks we Americans need to be a lot more vigilant and vocal about our own.  I have zero problems cutting off child porn users and such -- but I expect our government and law enforcement to perform their responsibilities in a lawful, above-board manner.


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http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col....n-koch-

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I assume this overseas?

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“Everyone was so focused on the N.S.A. secretly getting access to the front door that there was an assumption they weren’t going behind the companies’ backs and tapping data through the back door, too,” said Kevin Werbach, an associate professor at the Wharton School.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2084953/

made it sound like NSA could get your info without a warrant.


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Devil's in the details: depends on what info is being at issue. Simple connectivity issue of the sort, "what numbers connected to this terror suspect number" comes under open "business record" analysis from what I understand. The further distinction being collection versus analysis.

All of which is vastly different from a central government getting pissy with a company because one of their corrupt pets is getting bad press or potentially is going to get bad press as in the OP or the hacking of the New York Times a while back.
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Devil's in the details: depends on what info is being at issue. Simple connectivity issue of the sort, "what numbers connected to this terror suspect number" comes under open "business record" analysis from what I understand. The further distinction being collection versus analysis.

All of which is vastly different from a central government getting pissy with a company because one of their corrupt pets is getting bad press or potentially is going to get bad press as in the OP or the hacking of the New York Times a while back.

In terms of their negative effects on society, I see these as different... but not at all vastly different.  Our achilles heel is not so much our fear, but our complacency.


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Where to begin.

If this forum is any indication of the level of intelligence of the general populace, I think we have a serious problem here, Houston. The only surprise is that some posters here don't suffer more downtime from drooling into their own keyboards.

"Complacency" is not a result of indifference, but of "redirection" via fear and manipulation (Fox again - some here just watch and repeat what they hear verbatim) and a total lack of ability to critique argument.
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