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This sounds great, finally a way for the Wiccans to get their message in the public schools, if you really support full sharing of all religious beliefs, this may be the way.  heh

Two bills, HB2316 and HB 2317, “permit school districts to display on school property scenes or symbols associated with traditional winter celebrations,” which the co-sponsors of the bill define to mean Christmas and Hanukkah. The language also states that any religious scene must also depict at least one other religious or secular icon.

The author of the two bills explained the rationale behind the legislation:

“The purpose of the Oklahoma Merry Christmas bill is to put a beacon of light, a safe harbor, if you will, in the pages of statutes so that our children … and our parents can run to a lighthouse whose light shines boldly on the pages of Oklahoma’s law books and declares that they have a right to express their core beliefs and celebrate winter traditions without fear of lawsuit, retribution or reprisal,” said Rep. Ken Walker, R-Tulsa, during a Capitol press conference.



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Think it will go anything like this?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news....ng-disp


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This sounds great, finally a way for the Wiccans to get their message in the public schools,

Let us know how that works our for you.
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Wiccans are no more irrational than Christians.

All Religions are valid, none are true.
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Think it will go anything like this?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news....ng-disp

Yep, I think it will go exactly like that.

If Christmas is ok for school, then Wiccan is ok for school, in OK!

Imaginary friends of every kind will be in.

What a country!


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I've always been on the fence about which would be better for our kids, to exclude all religion from our schools or to be 100% inclusive.  Still not sure.

My son attended a Montessori school from 18 months through Kindergarten.  It was in a Boston suburb with lots of foreign visiting professors and the like, so incredibly diverse.  And they celebrated it ALL, which I thought it was great.  I think *I* learned as much as the kids did, especially the somewhat obscure holidays/festivals/celebrations like Purim, Epiphany, etc.  So many of those special days have a historical/cultural basis and, really, the school and the families/parents involved were careful about keeping the dogma and any moral/political perspectives out of it.  One year, he even had two Israeli *and* one Palestinian classmates and, interestingly enough, the kids gravitated toward each other because one of the Israeli kids didn't speak any English but the Palestinian boy spoke Hebrew.

I can't help but think that if we mixed it up for our kids, they would grow up to be better, more tolerant, adults.

I grew up without any religious affiliation and my first real exposure to religion was at summer "sleep-away" camp as a 10 year old.  I went to a summer-long music camp where half the kids were Jewish (seemed like it, anyway.)  I sang in the "non-denominational" service every Sunday and I used to also go to temple on Fridays with my friends.

So, basically, I grew up thinking that half the world was Jewish and that religion was mostly about music.  :D   In retrospect, I really appreciate having had that as my first impression.


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I'm an Okie by birth.  Lots of family still live there.  I visit often.  

My advice to any group planning to erect any Public non-Christian holiday displays:

Use cheap construction materials, or make sure the scenes are well insured.


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But how about inside the classrooms?

That will be more of a problem, with immediate identity of the bloodletters!

We have nutcase religous relatives in OK too, but pretty much they now avoid having any contact with we heathans.


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But how about inside the classrooms?

Ultimately, I don't think the religious folk clamoring for it would like it.

If prayer or other religious service became part of the daily ritual in public schools in this day and age, there would be considerable contention over WHAT it would consist of. Even within Christianity there is considerable diversity and disagreement, but imagine how some folks would react to REAL diversity -- like reading from the Koran and having their kids exposed to worship of the prophet Mohammed.

Inevitably, it would be a real mess. Why do the same folks whose political ideology dictates the government can't do anything right look to government-run public schools for religious indoctrination of their children?

The separation of church and state is the foundation of religious freedom. If parents feel so strongly about exposing their children to religion beyond their home and their church, parochial school is an option.


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I'm always amazed at the lack of knowledge of the proponents of ten commandments displays. According to Exodus (the bible book, not the movie) the ten commandments traditionally displayed on the two tablets were never actually written on any tablets.

Here is how Exodus tells the story:

1. Moses goes up the mountain the first time.  God gives him tablets with the 613 mitzvots written on them.  Moses carries them down the mountain but when he discovers his people dancing naked around a golden calf he drops them and they smash into pieces.

2.  His people ask for forgiveness and ask him to go back up the mountain to see the big guy again.  This time God speaks the traditional ten commandments to Moses, and Moses returns to his people and tells them the traditional ten commandments ("ten" being somewhat in dispute, but let's assume ten it is.)

3.  his people then beg moses to go back up the mountain for more information, and when Moses sees God for the third time, God gives Moses tablets written on both sides containing the original 613 mitzvots AND a dozen new commandments, the last of which is "never boil a mother in her kid's milk."  Some of the dozen are similar to the traditional ten but many are nothing like the traditional ten.  Moses takes the stones to his people and presents them to them.

The ten commandments written on stone that we often see displayed are actually from promotional material for Exodus the movie.
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I'm an Okie by birth.  Lots of family still live there.  I visit often.  

My advice to any group planning to erect any Public non-Christian holiday displays:

Use cheap construction materials, or make sure the scenes are well insured.

Just so I do not leave the wrong impression about Okies....I really admire and respect them. They are  some of the warmest, best folk I've ever met. I'm glad I was born there.

Make a list of all the assets that people folk should have, and Okies possess almost all of them.

But....religious tolerance, unfortunately, is not on their asset list.


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I for one would like to see the monkey god on the State capitol lawn of OK. I hope the have a lot of room on that lawn, just in case the majority turns out to be wrong.

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What child wouldn't love the stories of Hanuman? He could change size at will and used his powers to save his family from demons, carry mountains, and fly to the Sun. Good stuff.

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I dont know what the big issue is......we have been celebrating Happy Festivus Day for the last one hundred years or so.



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Isn't Oklahoma just basically northern Texas? I thought Vincente' Fox annexed them a decade ago? No?

Damn wishful thinking again.
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