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Texas A&M study:

Ronald Reagan, Abraham Lincoln and 8 others tied for First.
15 Presidents tied for Second.
17 Presidents tied for Third.
Jimmy Carter wowed us all to land in Fourth Place.
....and Barack Obama came in 5th place.


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Is this the study you are referring to?



Yep, looks like something an Aggie would put out.

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Just another racist joke from that bastion of freedom, neh?

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Racist? It says president, not half- black man..

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Don't y'all thinks its a little early for this type of thing?

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Don't y'all thinks its a little early for this type of thing?

The "thing" that's going on with the OP is political stone throwing, and it's never too early for that.

The non-study is not to be taken seriously, though it is disgusting to see Reagan mentioned in the same breath as Lincoln.

If presidents were rated on the condition of the country when they entered office and when they left, Obama will probably be at or near the top and GW Bush at the bottom.


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Obamanites really can't take a joke when it's directed at their savior.

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Who in this forum would you label an Obamanite that thinks of Obama as theirsavoir?

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Obamanites really can't take a joke when it's directed at their savior.

It has more to do with you posting it and claiming it was a legitimate study when you could have just posted a link showing you knew it was a joke.

http://www.theeagle.com/blogs....7a.html

But the fact is you didn't know it was a joke when you posted it.
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But he's the best sub-human mongrel President

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Good job Wolfie, a post that wasn't about guns.

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Who in this forum would you label an Obamanite that thinks of Obama as theirsavoir?

Those who believe he's going to save the country from  everything they're opposed to and give them everything they support.

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Who in this forum would you label an Obamanite that thinks of Obama as theirsavoir?

Those who believe he's going to save the country from  everything they're opposed to and give them everything they support.

I'm pretty sure I saw that dude standing in a cornfield, impaled on a wooden post.

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Who in this forum would you label an Obamanite that thinks of Obama as theirsavoir?

Those who believe he's going to save the country from  everything they're opposed to and give them everything they support.

I'm pretty sure I saw that dude standing in a cornfield, impaled on a wooden post.

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So you don't believe that Obama is going to "save" the country from the right?

It's a relief to know some lefties think Obama will fail in his Socialist attempt  at the US.


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It's a relief to know some lefties think Obama will fail in his Socialist attempt  at the US.

Which "lefties" would that be?

If there are any, they're very confused if they think Obama is a "socialist" rather than a moderate liberal who appoints Wall Street insiders to his economic team.


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Apparently Wolfie is embarrassed, can't say I blame him!   :p

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Don't y'all thinks its a little early for this type of thing?

The "thing" that's going on with the OP is political stone throwing, and it's never too early for that.

The non-study is not to be taken seriously, though it is disgusting to see Reagan mentioned in the same breath as Lincoln.

If presidents were rated on the condition of the country when they entered office and when they left, Obama will probably be at or near the top and GW Bush at the bottom.

The economy goes in cycles.  You finally have to buy that new car whether you want to or not.  And his term is not over yet.
Stock market seems to be doing fairly well.  But when these artificially low interest rates come to an end and gasoline goes back up to near $5.00 a gallon you might find us back in a recession.  Putin is on the move.  I wouldn't put Reagan next to Lincoln either, but I don't see Putin making all these moves with Reagan in office.  He and Margaret Thatcher would have made it perfectly clear that was a bad idea.   Obama is a disaster on the international stage.  It may take years to convince believers that Obamacare is a bad idea.  Instead of trickle down economics we now have trickle down healthcare.  The rich will still get the best and the rest the leftovers.  Slowly, but surely the best and brightest will give up the idea of going into medicine.  And the insurance companies will dictate treatment or at the very least how much they'll cover and how much you'll pay.  People want the very best care including medical technology.  This all cost money.  And if you have insurance companies setting low reimbursement levels for physicians your headed for exactly what you pay for.  IMO.


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Don't y'all thinks its a little early for this type of thing?

The "thing" that's going on with the OP is political stone throwing, and it's never too early for that.

The non-study is not to be taken seriously, though it is disgusting to see Reagan mentioned in the same breath as Lincoln.

If presidents were rated on the condition of the country when they entered office and when they left, Obama will probably be at or near the top and GW Bush at the bottom.

The economy goes in cycles.  You finally have to buy that new car whether you want to or not.  And his term is not over yet.
Stock market seems to be doing fairly well.  But when these artificially low interest rates come to an end and gasoline goes back up to near $5.00 a gallon you might find us back in a recession.  Putin is on the move.  I wouldn't put Reagan next to Lincoln either, but I don't see Putin making all these moves with Reagan in office.  He and Margaret Thatcher would have made it perfectly clear that was a bad idea.   Obama is a disaster on the international stage.  It may take years to convince believers that Obamacare is a bad idea.  Instead of trickle down economics we now have trickle down healthcare.  The rich will still get the best and the rest the leftovers.  Slowly, but surely the best and brightest will give up the idea of going into medicine.  And the insurance companies will dictate treatment or at the very least how much they'll cover and how much you'll pay.  People want the very best care including medical technology.  This all cost money.  And if you have insurance companies setting low reimbursement levels for physicians your headed for exactly what you pay for.  IMO.

Reagan wouldn't have done a damn thing about the Ukraine because no sane person would use a military option in this situation, and Putin knows an empty threat when he hears one. His recent moves may enhance his reputation among Russian nationalists, but it's hurting his economy and his country's position among Western nations. What did Reagan do when the marine barracks was bombed in Lebanon? He skedaddled, then later his administration sold arms to Iran in an illegal deal deserving of impeachment.

Obama is a vast improvement on the international stage compared to his predecessor. Besides the crashed economy he inherited two long term mismanaged quagmires from which we are finally extricating ourselves. The same hawks and neocons who misled us into the colossal strategic blunder in Iraq are now heckling from the sidelines whenever Obama doesn't plunge us into another idiotic quagmire ... and people like you, Squaretop, listen to those hecklers who equate the avoidance of costly military blunders with weakness.

Hopefully a majority of the American people are finally starting to learn that lesson, and I for one am very grateful Barack Obama is our CINC instead of a warmonger like John McCain.

As for the Affordable Care Act, this adaptation of a concept hatched at the conservative Heritage Foundation (but automatically opposed when a Democratic president advanced it) is far from perfect, but it is far better than the previous status quo. Millions of Americans are now able to afford health insurance and millions more would be insured if not for Republican governors obstructing benefits for their people and the relentless campaign of misinformation that dissuades others from exploring what the private insurance exchanges have to offer. It's a step in the right direction, and hopefully we will not be taking be taking any backwards steps from here.

Unfortunately, taking forward steps on the economic front have been very difficult with a filibustering Senate and obstructionist Republican House. Yes, the economy is cyclical, but austerity and trickle-down obstruct economic recovery. The rich are getting richer and corporations are sitting on huge profits but they are not creating jobs because a business will not hire more workers until the majority of consumers have more disposable income to buy the product or service they sell.

It just boggles my mind that so many voting citizens buy into the nonsense that concentrating more wealth into fewer hands is somehow good for our economy and for the American people.


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Don't y'all thinks its a little early for this type of thing?

The "thing" that's going on with the OP is political stone throwing, and it's never too early for that.

The non-study is not to be taken seriously, though it is disgusting to see Reagan mentioned in the same breath as Lincoln.

If presidents were rated on the condition of the country when they entered office and when they left, Obama will probably be at or near the top and GW Bush at the bottom.

The economy goes in cycles.  You finally have to buy that new car whether you want to or not.  And his term is not over yet.
Stock market seems to be doing fairly well.  But when these artificially low interest rates come to an end and gasoline goes back up to near $5.00 a gallon you might find us back in a recession.  Putin is on the move.  I wouldn't put Reagan next to Lincoln either, but I don't see Putin making all these moves with Reagan in office.  He and Margaret Thatcher would have made it perfectly clear that was a bad idea.   Obama is a disaster on the international stage.  It may take years to convince believers that Obamacare is a bad idea.  Instead of trickle down economics we now have trickle down healthcare.  The rich will still get the best and the rest the leftovers.  Slowly, but surely the best and brightest will give up the idea of going into medicine.  And the insurance companies will dictate treatment or at the very least how much they'll cover and how much you'll pay.  People want the very best care including medical technology.  This all cost money.  And if you have insurance companies setting low reimbursement levels for physicians your headed for exactly what you pay for.  IMO.

Reagan wouldn't have done a damn thing about the Ukraine because no sane person would use a military option in this situation, and Putin knows an empty threat when he hears one. His recent moves may enhance his reputation among Russian nationalists, but it's hurting his economy and his country's position among Western nations. What did Reagan do when the marine barracks was bombed in Lebanon? He skedaddled, then later his administration sold arms to Iran in an illegal deal deserving of impeachment.

Obama is a vast improvement on the international stage compared to his predecessor. Besides the crashed economy he inherited two long term mismanaged quagmires from which we are finally extricating ourselves. The same hawks and neocons who misled us into the colossal strategic blunder in Iraq are now heckling from the sidelines whenever Obama doesn't plunge us into another idiotic quagmire ... and people like you, Squaretop, listen to those hecklers who equate the avoidance of costly military blunders with weakness.

Hopefully a majority of the American people are finally starting to learn that lesson, and I for one am very grateful Barack Obama is our CINC instead of a warmonger like John McCain.

As for the Affordable Care Act, this adaptation of a concept hatched at the conservative Heritage Foundation (but automatically opposed when a Democratic president advanced it) is far from perfect, but it is far better than the previous status quo. Millions of Americans are now able to afford health insurance and millions more would be insured if not for Republican governors obstructing benefits for their people and the relentless campaign of misinformation that dissuades others from exploring what the private insurance exchanges have to offer. It's a step in the right direction, and hopefully we will not be taking be taking any backwards steps from here.

Unfortunately, taking forward steps on the economic front have been very difficult with a filibustering Senate and obstructionist Republican House. Yes, the economy is cyclical, but austerity and trickle-down obstruct economic recovery. The rich are getting richer and corporations are sitting on huge profits but they are not creating jobs because a business will not hire more workers until the majority of consumers have more disposable income to buy the product or service they sell.

It just boggles my mind that so many voting citizens buy into the nonsense that concentrating more wealth into fewer hands is somehow good for our economy and for the American people.

No.  There was no military option available in the Ukraine, I agree.  My point is I don't think it would have come to that  under Reagan.  How far are you willing to let Russia go in these land grabs?  Please answer that question.  Eastern Ukraine?  All of Ukraine?  More former Soviet satellite nations?

I absolutely disagree with the way the economy is putting more and more money in the hands of fewer people.  The middle class and small business is getting wacked.  Though not in favor of union pensions, I am in favor of union wages.  Now we need to figure out how to get there.  Lady I know:  retiring at age 55, 33 years of service to her city gets 85% of her salary for the rest of her life.  Please tell me you see a problem with this.

I stand by my statement that Obamacare (and I don't care if it came from Romney or the Heritage Foundation) is a misguided mess being handled by rookies way in over their heads.  In the end it will be a financial nightmare as more and more people enroll, but get subsidized.  And nobody got money for that.


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No.  There was no military option available in the Ukraine, I agree.  My point is I don't think it would have come to that  under Reagan.  How far are you willing to let Russia go in these land grabs?  Please answer that question.  Eastern Ukraine?  All of Ukraine?  More former Soviet satellite nations?

We agree it's quite obvious there is no military option. Given that, are you suggesting Reagan would have made a threat which Putin knew was an empty threat and he would have backed off anyway? Putin would have loved the opportunity to go ahead and demonstrate the impotence of an American president making empty threats.

Define what you mean by "let." What is the authority and mechanism by which the United States lets or doesn't let other nations do things when there is no military option?

Here's a clue as to what can and is being done.

In your previous post you stated "Obama is a disaster on the international stage." I responded to that by making the case why he is a vast improvement over his predecessor. Do you disagree that GW Bush was by far a much worse president on the international stage?


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I absolutely disagree with the way the economy is putting more and more money in the hands of fewer people.  The middle class and small business is getting wacked.  Though not in favor of union pensions, I am in favor of union wages.  Now we need to figure out how to get there.  Lady I know:  retiring at age 55, 33 years of service to her city gets 85% of her salary for the rest of her life.  Please tell me you see a problem with this.

You're OK with unions negotiating wages but not pensions. Does that apply to all unions, or just public employees? Without knowing the particulars of the lady you know, I can't see if there is a problem or not. Some government employees pay into a public pension fund and rely on that instead of Social Security. Depending on her salary, 85% of that may be a modest income.

I find it interesting you would bring this up as an example in the context of wealth being concentrated into fewer hands while the middle class is getting "whacked." My guess is she's a middle class lady. Meanwhile, hedge fund managers and bankers who crashed the economy are fabulously wealthy and income from their investments is taxed at a lower rate than labor.

But your example of the problem is a retired lady on a pension. It looks to me that what you "see" is what the elites of wealth and power want you to see. This is very typical of how they frame the issues. The rich keep getting richer while paying much lower taxes than they did a couple generations ago. Highly profitable corporations are subsidized and some avoid paying taxes altogether. Connected companies like Halliburton rake in huge profits in the Iraq war that will cost our government $3 trillion by the time we've finished caring for all the terribly wounded veterans.

So let's view our economic problems and the deficit in terms of a retired public employee on a pension.


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I stand by my statement that Obamacare (and I don't care if it came from Romney or the Heritage Foundation) is a misguided mess being handled by rookies way in over their heads.  In the end it will be a financial nightmare as more and more people enroll, but get subsidized.  And nobody got money for that.

You stand by your statement but you have nothing to back it up. Given your other statements, it just sounds like more recycled talking points issued by Fox "news" and rightwing talk radio.

A recent report by the CBO estimates the long term cost of the Affordable Care Act will be lower than expected.

The real financial nightmare is what's been happening to Americans who worked hard and played by the rules only to be financially ruined by medical costs which have been a leading cause of bankruptcy -- including among people who had health insurance.

The profit margin for insurance corporations is in finding ways to deny coverage. Quite often they'll insure you for everything except what you need insurance for the most -- a pre-existing condition. The ACA has fixed that, and millions more are now insured that weren't before. In the long term this could reduce costs because people will get early treatment instead of waiting until they're really sick and going to the emergency room -- with the higher costs being passed along to those of us who do have insurance.

Health care costs have long been rising but the rate of that growth has slowed, partly due to the effects of the Affordable Care Act.

But like I said, the ACA is far from perfect. There is much more than can and needs to be done to reduce costs and to get more people insured. Some of the biggest obstacles are political, and it certainly doesn't help that so much misinformation is being deliberately spread by those who want the effort to fail much more than they want to find workable solutions to improve health care for the American people.


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My point is I don't think it would have come to that  under Reagan.  

Considering he "let" Russia invade Afghanistan throughout his entire presidency, that seems a pretty silly opinion.
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Reagan is way over rated. Can you imagine the outrage if 300 marines had died in their bunks on Obama's watch? Iran-Contra? Star Wars (SDI) was the biggest waste of both research and defense money of all time. It still can't be relied on to work in real world situations. How Effective Anti-Ballistic Missile Defense is Against Countermeasures?

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Who in this forum would you label an Obamanite that thinks of Obama as theirsavoir?

Those who believe he's going to save the country from  everything they're opposed to and give them everything they support.

I'm pretty sure I saw that dude standing in a cornfield, impaled on a wooden post.

The "Flammable: Do Not Approach With an Open Flame" is always a nice touch.
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Reagan is way over rated. Can you imagine the outrage if 300 marines had died in their bunks on Obama's watch? Iran-Contra? Star Wars (SDI) was the biggest waste of both research and defense money of all time. It still can't be relied on to work in real world situations. How Effective Anti-Ballistic Missile Defense is Against Countermeasures?

But he old schooled those uppity Grenadans when they had the audacity to build Soviet-style soccer fields!

SO PROUD!
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