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Homeless woman tries to pulls herself up by her bootstraps(what a certain segment of the population
wants from such people) by going on an interview but then gets arrested for leaving her kids in the
car

http://www.wtop.com/209....-in-car

Not that it was right to leave her kids in the car but more like what I think it says about a certain
segment of the population that expect people in her situation to do things that a work against each
other with little or no support from the government because don't you know such government help is for
leech mooch parasite socialists(unless of course you're a leech mooch parasite hick socialist rancher leeching
off the federal government, In that case you're a God Fearing patriot salt of the earth type fighting
tyranny)


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Not that it was right to leave her kids in the car but more like what I think it says about a certain
segment of the population that expect people in her situation to do things that a work against each
other with little or no support from the government....

You're right that economically disadvantaged people have a broad range of other disadvantages.  That being said I have a few questions:

1.  You left unsaid what you "think it says about a certain segments of the population".  Could you clarify?

2.  What segment of the population are you referring to?

3.  What support from the government do you propose for folks like her?
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1 & 2 obviously would be people that tend to be center-right/libertarian.

3) A stronger safety net(or maybe just not allowing anymore cuts) that allows anything from short
term day care so people like her could go interviews or money that allow them to  pay for day care.
I'm sure that will be the usual responses "big government", "more spending","nanny state"... from
the same people that would bitch either about people like her not having a job or not being able to
be there for her kids.

I say its better to provide policies that help people get to work and care for their kids rather
than the alternative. Its also more than justified in my opinion when you consider where are priorities
have gone(wall street bonuses, various military waste, tax cuts and just very low tax rates still,
etc.


This post, BTW, wasn't so much to say that we need to do something(although we do) as it was to
point out the damn if you do and damn if you don't reaction to people in her situation by a certain
segment of the population that,once again, tend to be center-right/libertarian (and yes lets not kid
ourselves, racist types that in partcular react that way towards minorities although I was really
thinking more about center-right/libertarian rather than specificially racists although there is
overlap between the two)

and what does Kenv propose?


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...This post, BTW, wasn't so much to say that we need to do something(although we do) as it was to
point out the damn if you do and damn if you don't reaction to people in her situation by a certain
segment of the population that,once again, tend to be center-right/libertarian

I'm not sure I read about any "damn if you do and damn if you don't reaction" by anyone in the article you cited.  The only "reaction" I read about was someone who started a fund raising campaign for her which is apparently doing very nicely.

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and what does Kenv propose?
I really don't have a proposal, for a number reasons.

I don't think its wise to make policy decisions based on a single event.  Expecialy when so little is known about the event.  Was she really homeless?  Was she really interviewing for a job?  Did she not have friends or family who could have helped out with the kids for one hour?  What publicly funded alternatives were available that she failed to make use of, if any?  What privately funded alternatives were available that she failed to make use of, if any?  For me, this article caused me to ask lots of questions rather than draw any conclusions.  Much less offer proposals.  I'm not saying that your conclusions or proposals are unreasonable.  Just that I take a completely different slant than you when I encounter a story like this.
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Let me post in pure dennis fashion...

You sure are stupid, aren't you dennis? Are you really this stupid? Stupid, stupid stupid...

Okay, now...

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2 years old and 6 months old
in a Dodge Durango.
windows slightly opened
parked in direct sunlight
45 minutes later


These are the facts. Everything else is speculation.

As a father of two myself... there are ZERO circumstances I would have left my kid in those conditions.  A six month old???? For forty five minutes???

KenV is right though...need more answers. Funny how dennis doesn't perform proper discovery, yet jumps to the "more gov" solution right away...


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All day kindergarten was struck down in a number of states largely because "poor people would just use it as daycare".

So what if they do? Do you want people to work, or don't you? And if kids are going to be in the care of others a good chunk of the day, it could only be a bonus if they were in an educational setting.


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When I have to pay a babysitter, it's $2.50 an hour. I make $2.32. Does anyone see a problem with this?

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When I have to pay a babysitter, it's $2.50 an hour. I make $2.32. Does anyone see a problem with this?

I Want A Boat ThaT Costs 110K. I OnlY Make 108K. Anyone See A Problem?

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Before you go picking on me for life choices, I'll point out these are not my children I'm raising.

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Before you go picking on me for life choices, I'll point out these are not my children I'm raising.

I'm not picking on you. Just pointing out that if you want something, earn it.

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And comparing a necessity like childcare, with a luxury item like a boat is a little disingenuous, doncha think?

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How have I not earned the right to have a safe and even educational setting for my children while I work? I don't get daycare assistance, or any other assistance for that matter, I pay my way, don't you worry.

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I pulled a dead kid out of a hot car at work a few years ago.  It's not an experience I would wish on anybody.  

Tests have shown that a car sitting in the sun at 72F can reach 116F inside.  It's forecasted to be 93 in Scottsdale AZ today.  This woman made a horrible choice.  luckily her kids are still alive.
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'm not sure I read about any "damn if you do and damn if you don't reaction" by anyone in the article you cited.  
The only "reaction" I read about was someone who started a fund raising campaign for her which is apparently doing very nicely.


I didn't say it was in the artcile but based on simple observation that there are people
(mostly on the right/libertarian)who simultaneously want people like her to be a responsible
parent and productive part of society but like I said, because of the circumstances of people
her, those two things are working against each other. So in effect someone in her position
has to pick one or the other and so as they pick one that means the other gets neglected and
they get bashed.

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I don't think its wise to make policy decisions based on a single event.  Expecialy when so little is known about the event.  
Was she really homeless?  Was she really interviewing for a job?  Did she not have friends or family who could have helped
out with the kids for one hour?  What publicly funded alternatives were available that she failed to make use of, if any?  
What privately funded alternatives were available that she failed to make use of, if any?  For me, this article caused me
to ask lots of questions rather than draw any conclusions.  Much less offer proposals.  I'm not saying that your conclusions
or proposals are unreasonable.  Just that I take a completely different slant than you when I encounter a story like this.


Well unlike "damn if you do and damn if you don't reaction", .the article did say she was
homeless and interviewing for a job(the title specifically says "Homeless woman on job interview
arrested for leaving kids in car") and the article also said "just had an interview and didn't
have anyone to care for her children.
" so unless anyone can find some other sources(and every
source I've seen says the same thing) that says in fact those things didn't happen then I will
operating on what those media reports have been saying at least so far


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very sensitive scot said
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Let me post in pure dennis fashion...

You sure are stupid, aren't you dennis? Are you really this stupid? Stupid, stupid stupid...

Okay, now...


LOL!!!

let me get that quote from Gabby again(search for scot and gabby and stupid)

Ah here we go


Anyone who's had a discussion with "Scot" would know that he's sensitive to the word "stupid"
or the word "idiot" - for good reason.


and so surprise surprise super sensitive scot just happens to bring up stupid

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These are the facts. Everything else is speculation.


everything else being what?

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As a father of two myself... there are ZERO circumstances I would have left my kid in those conditions.  A six month old???? For forty five minutes???


Ah so then you would opt for not looking for a job and then watching the kid in the care
which is a good decision(as I said "Not that it was right to leave her kids in the car") but
I'm guessing you would be the first to bash this woman for NOT looking for a job had she
elected to stay NOT go to an interview which gets back to my damn if you do and damn if
you don't reaction? Maybe even call her a "leech" or "moocher"? or "lazy"?

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KenV is right though...need more answers. Funny how dennis doesn't perform proper discovery, yet jumps to the "more gov" solution right away...


Funny how Scot started off this with "stupid" and then says "Funny how dennis doesn't perform
proper discovery" when in the title of the article it says "Homeless woman on job interview
arrested for leaving kids in car" (the title) and "just had an interview and didn't have
anyone to care for her children.
".

Funny how scot started off this with "stupid" and asks "jumps to the "more gov" solution right
away." but didn't see(or has reading comprehension problems) how Kenv asked me "What support
from the government do you propose for folks like her?"?

Funny how scot started off this with "stupid" and responded exactly as I thought someone like
him would respond when I noted "I'm sure that will be the usual responses "big government",
"more spending","nanny state"... from the same people that would bitch either about people like
her not having a job or not being able to be there for her kids."


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She made a horrible choice....her reasons sound more like a plea for sympathy and (she hopes) a lighter sentence than any systemic problem in this country

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Irony is a bitch, and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is not always that easy.

And I think you'll find that screaming child abuse when very young children are left alone in a car appeals to liberals as well as conservatives.

It's one of the few things we can probably all agree on.
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I don't think anyone was arguing that what she did was a good decision. The problem is that she felt she had no other option. And as hot as it may get in that car, let's think for a minute where they probably are living if she is homeless. In the car.

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I don't think anyone was arguing that what she did was a good decision. The problem is that she felt she had no other option. And as hot as it may get in that car, let's think for a minute where they probably are living if she is homeless. In the car.

I'm sorry Star, even though I sympathize with this woman's situation in life, there is absolutely no excuse for leaving these kids under these circumstances.  All parents make choices for their kids, and most would choose life over potential death every time.  This is just a matter of priorities.  And kids missing meals is a far better choice than kids boiling their brains in a hot car sitting in the Arizona sun.
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When I have to pay a babysitter, it's $2.50 an hour. I make $2.32. Does anyone see a problem with this?

Where on this earth do you get babysitting for $2.50 an hour?  I'm genuinely curious.  Daycare typically runs at least several times that rate, per kid.

And FWIW, I have to agree with hbfa and others.  If I pass a locked car sitting in the daylight sun with two kids locked inside, I'm gonna call the police.  I couldn't live with myself if I didn't call the police and those kids died.  I wouldn't be asking myself "well, what if it might be a poor woman who needs to leave the kids there, would this hurt her?"  It's a no-brainer, call the police, get those kids out of harm's way.  I understand the woman had really tough choices to make, but as a father myself I simply can't fathom doing that.  If the kids were 10 and 12 (and could get out of the car themselves any time they wanted), I could see that.  But at that age?  No way.  I would have to reschedule the interview until I found someone who would watch the kids for an hour.  It'd suck if I were passed over for the job, but I'd rather eat at the shelter another day before putting the kids directly in harm's way that way.  That's not a liberal/conservative decision.


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Here is another story that happened sometime ago and while the circumstances are different than
the one in the OP, I think it too gets at the larger point I was getting at in the OP(at least
I think it does, Maybe I'm wrong though).


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She told the police she was homeless and unemployed. But she also said she had lived with her mother and she had had a job, She left the 2yr old and 6 month old in the car but apparently her 9 year old was somewhere else???

She is sounding less and less like a victim


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Got a link on that? Of course you said "had lived with her mother and she had had a job"

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Ah so then you would opt for not looking for a job and then watching the kid in the care
which is a good decision(as I said "Not that it was right to leave her kids in the car") but
I'm guessing you would be the first to bash this woman for NOT looking for a job had she
elected to stay NOT go to an interview which gets back to my damn if you do and damn if
you don't reaction? Maybe even call her a "leech" or "moocher"? or "lazy"?

Dude, seriously, you are hard to read. Please type so that people can understand you. A period here and there would be nice. Maybe a comma or two... I'm not bashing grammar as you like to do, I'm just trying to help you out.

For the part I could understand. You're damn right I would opt out of an interview if my only option was to leave my VERY young children in a car! I can't believe you'd even ask that question. The thought would never even occur! That is SERIOUS child neglect.

I can't imagine what kind of employee she is, but I wont speculate too much. There are only so many facts in the article. I've had people call me to reschedule interviews before. It is completely acceptable to do so, as long as you have a valid excuse.


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And comparing a necessity like childcare, with a luxury item like a boat is a little disingenuous, doncha think?

Childcare is not a necessity! You choose to have kids, you darn well better be prepared to pay for things.

So I bet now, because clothing is a "necessity" for children, you want the fed to give kids free clothes. Right? Where does it end with people like you? What else is a necessity and should be provide by the almighty fed?


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When I have to pay a babysitter, it's $2.50 an hour. I make $2.32. Does anyone see a problem with this?

Where on this earth do you get babysitting for $2.50 an hour?  I'm genuinely curious.  Daycare typically runs at least several times that rate, per kid.

And FWIW, I have to agree with hbfa and others.  If I pass a locked car sitting in the daylight sun with two kids locked inside, I'm gonna call the police.  I couldn't live with myself if I didn't call the police and those kids died.  I wouldn't be asking myself "well, what if it might be a poor woman who needs to leave the kids there, would this hurt her?"  It's a no-brainer, call the police, get those kids out of harm's way.  I understand the woman had really tough choices to make, but as a father myself I simply can't fathom doing that.  If the kids were 10 and 12 (and could get out of the car themselves any time they wanted), I could see that.  But at that age?  No way.  I would have to reschedule the interview until I found someone who would watch the kids for an hour.  It'd suck if I were passed over for the job, but I'd rather eat at the shelter another day before putting the kids directly in harm's way that way.  That's not a liberal/conservative decision.

You're darned tootin' that's a deal. When one of us can't watch, my friend will, or get one of her sisters.  I pay them $20 a shift. They keep us in hand me downs too. I usually leave with more than what I came with, it is a more than agreeable situation. But I'm not going to lie, on slow nights I have a couple bucks left for myself after I pay, there I have been times I didn't make the $20. Good thing they feed her dinner, and good thing I only need to use them occasionally.
I have never said what she did was right, it was in fact a horrible decision, and she was very lucky, but I can understand what led to it.  When they call you for an interview, you get your butt in there, and now, before they hire someone else. Admitting you have a problem with getting a babysitter is definitely a strike against you. Once I had one woman nonchalantly ask me if I had kids, then tell me she wouldn't hire me because I'd probably miss work. From a woman I get this?? One I know has kids herself.
I have a great support system, and still sometimes I have problems. They'll call me in and no one is to be found. I've taken my granddaughter to work with me several times, and she'll have something to eat or sit with the owner's wife or one of the customers we're friendly with until I can get someone there. Fortunately I have a job where I can get away with that, most don't.


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And comparing a necessity like childcare, with a luxury item like a boat is a little disingenuous, doncha think?

Childcare is not a necessity! You choose to have kids, you darn well better be prepared to pay for things.

So I bet now, because clothing is a "necessity" for children, you want the fed to give kids free clothes. Right? Where does it end with people like you? What else is a necessity and should be provide by the almighty fed?

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Not. My. Kids. I chose to have exactly none of them. I did choose to take them in. And what do you mean by you people? Taxpayers? Because that would be me. Do you think you're the only person in the US of A that pays taxes? And we're just all trying to get a little bit of your hard earned dough?


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I have never said what she did was right, it was in fact a horrible decision, and she was very lucky, but I can understand what led to it.  When they call you for an interview, you get your butt in there, and now, before they hire someone else. Admitting you have a problem with getting a babysitter is definitely a strike against you. Once I had one woman nonchalantly ask me if I had kids, then tell me she wouldn't hire me because I'd probably miss work. From a woman I get this?? One I know has kids herself.


+1 ... that's the REAL world - I can understand too. When they call you for an interview, you get your butt in there, and now, before they hire someone else. Admitting you have a problem with getting a babysitter is definitely a strike against you.

Asking the "kids question" is illegal. But they all seem to manage to do it in a sneaky way. And having young kids lessens the chance - even kills the chance - that you will get the job.
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You don't get free clothes from the government. You get them from FRIENDS. Normal people help each other. And when you are done using them you pass them on to other FRIENDS, or find a church or charity that could use. But that's what normal people do, I don't know what you do.

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