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An interesting exploration of minority cultures be hosting a Black Mass in Memorial Hall at Harvard.  Personally, I could care less, one mythical belief is pretty much the same as any other for my money, but I am guessing that this little "stunt" will draw a huge amount of attention and denigration from the right wing Xtians on both religious media and MSM.

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The Archdiocese of Boston wants Harvard to put a stop to the event saying:

The Catholic community in the Archdiocese of Boston expresses its deep sadness and strong opposition to the plan to stage a “black mass” on the campus of Harvard University in Cambridge.

For the good of the Catholic faithful and all people, the Church provides clear teaching concerning Satanic worship. This activity separates people from God and the human community, it is contrary to charity and goodness, and it places participants dangerously close to destructive works of evil.

In a recent statement, Pope Francis warned of the danger of being naïve about or underestimating the power of Satan, whose evil is too often tragically present in our midst. We call upon all believers and people of good will to join us in prayer for those who are involved in this event, that they may come to appreciate the gravity of their actions, and in asking Harvard to disassociate itself from this activity.

In response to the Black Mass the archdiocese is holding a holy hour starting at 8 p.m. on Monday at St. Paul’s Church, which is also the Catholic Church at Harvard.

Harvard University says it supports the rights of students and faculty.


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The real danger is one religion trying to stifle another.  But this wouldn't be the first time the Roman Catholic Church engaged in such behavior.
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Would they also protest a magician's show?  How about a Voodoo performance?  Black Mass, or a Holy Mass, it is all the same to me.  People devoutly reading from their books of faith, and having a belief that it somehow makes their day better.  

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I've never gotten this.

If the RCC wants to speak out and say this is misguided, or Satanic, or whatever, then fine. If they want to say that Catholics should not have anything to do with it, then fine.

But what gives them the right to tell Harvard that they shouldn't do it?
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I've never gotten this.

If the RCC wants to speak out and say this is misguided, or Satanic, or whatever, then fine. If they want to say that Catholics should not have anything to do with it, then fine.

But what gives them the right to tell Harvard that they shouldn't do it?

The whole point of a church is to control people's lives by telling them what to think and do.  What's not to get?

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Well, maybe not their entire "whole point", but many churches believe this is the only way to behave.  The entire thing about, 'If you want to get to Heaven, or not go to Hell, you must behave in such in such manner", I never got that.  Why isn't it sufficient to teach the flock how to think with their heart, and act with their conscience.  

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But what gives them the right to tell Harvard that they shouldn't do it?

The whole point of a church is to control people's lives by telling them what to think and do.  What's not to get?

Some people have chosen to place themselves under the spiritual authority of the Catholic Church. Harvard has not.  

There was a time, I guess, when the RCC considered everyone to be under their authority. But that time is long since past.
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But what gives them the right to tell Harvard that they shouldn't do it?

The Catholic church is the keeper of many ancient secrets. It could be the Pope knows this black mass is a necessary step for the anti-Christ to emerge and start Armageddon. He would be remiss in his duty not to do everything in his power to prevent that from happening.

And I wholeheartedly agree. Being agnostic myself, I am sure to be Left Behind when the End Of Days come. I need more time to get with the program.

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But what gives them the right to tell Harvard that they shouldn't do it?

Is that what the RCC is telling Harvard?  The article says the RCC is asking Harvard to disassociate itself from this activity, which sounds quite a bit different than "telling Harvard that they shouldn't do it".
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After a thousand years of being able to tell people what to do, it's probably hard to break the habit. I'm not sure that the LDS doesn't want to take over that role.

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Is that what the RCC is telling Harvard?  The article says the RCC is asking Harvard to disassociate itself from this activity, which sounds quite a bit different than "telling Harvard that they shouldn't do it".

"Asking" and "telling" here is probably a distinction without a difference.

It really comes down to the role of institutional religion. I think that religious organizations absolutely should consider themselves, among other things, advocacy groups. They should even consider themselves prophetic, speaking truth to power, etc. Again, I have no issue with that.

What I do have an issue with is when they consider themselves agents of behavior control. If they want to advocate that individuals should choose to avoid this type of "religious" activity, more power to them. But what they're clearly trying to do here is stop it from happening at all. (And this is historically the RCC's MO in these sorts of situations.)

To me, that's an important distinction. It's the same issue I have with religious organizations lobbying for discriminatory laws, for shutting down bars and liquor stores, and so on.

I see influencing our individual choices as a legitimate role of religion. I do not see taking away our individual choices as a legitimate role of religion.
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