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http://news.yahoo.com/chipotl....ivQtDMD

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You did read where this policy was a result of customers openly carrying military style rifles into the store, right?  I would say that those people took it upon themselves to make a statement of aggression and intimidation to the chain.  This is what bad behavior gets.  

You can't take a gun into any sports venue.  NFL checks purses, making women carry their belongings in clear ziplock bags.  Too many fans have acted rudely, or started fights.  

In the end, public policy will dictate bad behavior will not be tolerated.  If it affects gun owners / carriers, then they will need to find other outlets for their entertainment.

When restaurants, bars, and bowling alleys stopped allowing smokers inside, everyone thought it would affect business.  It hasn't.


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I understand the personal choice not to frequent places where you can't protect yourself in the manner you think best.  That's a personal choice.

But I don't buy the "gun free zone" doctrine.  We have a long history of criminals going wherever their intended target happens to be, whether it sis four armed on duty police officers in a restaurant, a police station full of armed officers, or a school with no one armed on the premises.  

Many people feel safer if they don't know other people around them are armed.  As illogical as that is, it is nevertheless a phenomena expressed by many.

Imagine a group hike where no mention is made of firearms and half the members of the group are carrying concealed.  The other half will have no stress over firearms because they think there are no firearms being carried by anyone in the group.

Now change that to open carry by the armed half, and some in the non-armed half will have a cow about their safety being at risk.

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I don't carry.  Never needed it.  Some do.  I won't begrudge them.


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Now if America were to outlaw ALL guns, become a gun free society, there would be no such issues as:

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It is just common sense. Outlaw ALL guns as London has.

I like this pro-gun cartoon. It shows what happens when you DON'T outlaw ALL guns.



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I understand the personal choice not to frequent places where you can't protect yourself in the manner you think best.


I don't carry.  Never needed it.  Some do.  I won't begrudge them.

Then your opening statement makes no sense.
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It is just common sense. Outlaw ALL guns as London has.

I like this pro-gun cartoon. It shows what happens when you DON'T outlaw ALL guns.


You seriously believe that an all encompassing gun ban will make all the bad guys roll over and give up their already illegal firearms?


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No, it just makes bullets too valuable to be wasting on kids, and other innocents.  If guns are illegal, so would be bullets.  That stockpile in certain people's homes would be too valuable to give up for the kind of money offered by lunatics.  Of course, all the gun owners are good guys until they turn into lunatics and bad guys.

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Many people feel safer if they don't know other people around them are armed.  As illogical as that is, it is nevertheless a phenomena expressed by many.

Imagine a group hike where no mention is made of firearms and half the members of the group are carrying concealed.  The other half will have no stress over firearms because they think there are no firearms being carried by anyone in the group.


LOL  A total fantasy, how can you even imagine a group of CCW hikers who did not make sure that everyone knew they were carrying heat, and that they would protect EVERYONE from the zombies??

If you can't impress the gals,and/or guys, what is the point of carrying all that extra weight??

What a country!

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No, it just makes bullets too valuable to be wasting on kids, and other innocents.  If guns are illegal, so would be bullets.  That stockpile in certain people's homes would be too valuable to give up for the kind of money offered by lunatics.  Of course, all the gun owners are good guys until they turn into lunatics and bad guys.

Banning ammo does not necessarily follow banning of guns.

What makes you think lunatics don't already have stockpiles or would do so upon learning of an impending ban?

Are you implying that "all gun owners" will eventually turn into lunatics? Or are you saying that anyone who owns guns is already one?


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Walked into a Subway in a N. Dallas suburb  Subway.  2 other customers.  1 was a nicely dressed middle aged lady, paying the clerk for her foot long......had what appeared to be a .45 strapped to her hip.

Clerk was nervously eyeing her.  So was the other customer.  I stood at the door, held it open for her as she walked out.

The palpable tension  from the clerk and other customer was visibly eased.  So was mine.

Told this story to someone close.  The reply was "Good for her!"....the assumption was she must have been a brave patriot, ready to protect herself and others in case an armed  loonie  decided to shoot up the Subway.

My assumption was different:  the chances were better that an armed loonie was already in the Subway.


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What makes you think lunatics don't already have stockpiles or would do so upon learning of an impending ban?

Are you implying that "all gun owners" will eventually turn into lunatics? Or are you saying that anyone who owns guns is already one?

I am saying we have no idea what makes people mentally ill.  Everyone is a good guy until they get some sort of mental illness.  Gun owners who become mentally unstable are just more capable of doing the community vast more harm than non-gun owning mentally ill citizens.

If this nation ever gets around to banning guns, I am hopeful that banning ammo would be the first step.  In fact, banning ammo and the supplies for making your own ammo would be all that is needed to make the firearms just expensive hammers and clubs.

My brother in law is one of the most responsible gun owners I know.  Always keeps his guns locked in a safe, except when he is using them.   Still, should he become imbalanced somehow, he would be a well armed looney, and could do himself and or his family great harm.  He would be less dangerous if he collected knives, or stamps.

In all of the years I have been posting here, I have not made it a secret how I feel about firearms.  I don't recall ever lumping all gun owners into a looney bin.  There are those who place too much importance on their toys, but I see that with kayakers and backpackers as well.  When a kayaker "goes Postal" who gets hurt?


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Clerk was nervously eyeing her.  So was the other customer.  I stood at the door, held it open for her as she walked out.

The palpable tension  from the clerk and other customer was visibly eased.  So was mine.

Told this story to someone close.  The reply was "Good for her!"....the assumption was she must have been a brave patriot, ready to protect herself and others in case an armed  loonie  decided to shoot up the Subway.

My assumption was different:  the chances were better that an armed loonie was already in the Subway.

I would be just as (if not more) concerned about an unarmed loonie who sees the gun strapped to the hip of the nicely dressed middle aged lady, and without warning takes it from her.


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Imagine a group hike where no mention is made of firearms and half the members of the group are carrying concealed.  The other half will have no stress over firearms because they think there are no firearms being carried by anyone in the group.


LOL  A total fantasy, how can you even imagine a group of CCW hikers who did not make sure that everyone knew they were carrying heat, and that they would protect EVERYONE from the zombies??

If you can't impress the gals,and/or guys, what is the point of carrying all that extra weight??

What a country!

Been hiking since 1954, never carried a gun, never needed one.  And never will.

I've lead many hikes on which others and I were carrying concealed.  

On a few of those hikes we have come across hunters existing the woods and some in the group expressed fear over seeing an armed person in the woods.

That's highly irrational and illogical.  first, because they have no idea who in the group is armed.  Second because hunting and target practice are allowed every day of the year in New York State forests, so every hike they go on there is a good chance that there are armed individuals in the woods with them.

Apparently they get great comfort from their ignorance of the facts.
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No, it just makes bullets too valuable to be wasting on kids, and other innocents.  If guns are illegal, so would be bullets.  That stockpile in certain people's homes would be too valuable to give up for the kind of money offered by lunatics.  Of course, all the gun owners are good guys until they turn into lunatics and bad guys.

Yup..just like banning certain drugs has wiped them off the streets.  As history has taught us, make a a physical object illegal and it will disappear from all of society.
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Been hiking since 1954, never carried a gun, never needed one.  And never will.

So what?  That justified you clamoring to prevent others from carrying their choice of equipment?

I know people who hike without any means of water treatment.  So that must mean you should leave yours home as well.  I know people who hike without any survival equipment, so unpack yours as well next time you venture out.

I even know a person who has never been into the woods in the last 60 years except to hunt.  He thinks people who go into the woods for any reason other than to hunt should be barred from the woods because they add nothing to the conservation of our natural resources.  As another forum member once said, non-hunters are nothing but a disruption to the wilderness.

So maybe you should just stay out of the woods altogether.  That way you won't have to worry about staining your pants if you come across someone who is armed - whether you know it or not.
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In this day and age why wouldn't anyone's first reaction to seeing someone in public with a gun be one of suspicion? Here, they used to be far more commonplace, but you just knew you didn't have to worry about anyone's intent. Now you pretty much always have to be aware of what is going on around you. But being aware and constant paranoia are very different things. I don't need a gun to feel safe, pretty much ever. And I say this as a gun owner. If someone gets squirrely at my house, the dogs would like a word with you, the cat is even likely to tear you up. I'd wallop someone with whatever was handy long before I'd go get a gun. We got robbed at work, I got the money back. Chased them down the street, yelling everyone out of their houses for 3 blocks around. When they saw there was no getting away with it they put it down on the sidewalk and ran. It's very possible they got some, they didn't get it all. Another time, at another job, I kicked a would be robber out. I walked in and here is some guy hassling the other waitress. What's wrong with you, yelling at a little old lady?? Get out (well, that and a few more words we won't post here), and yelled for the cooks. He got out... then I found out what I'd done. I thought he was just a drunk, oh well.

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One of my friends, a VERY ardent 2nd Amendment supporter, summed it up well on Facebook:

Well, there you have it. A company that was cool with you carrying concealed is now telling you to leave your gun in the car. Why ? Because a bunch of mouth breathing crusaders decided to take it upon themselves and open carry long guns and scare some children. Well done. Guess what, your 2A rights do not supersede property rights and now the issue is forced and we lose. If I wanted to go out to eat and see a bunch of sketchy bearded zealots carrying small arms, I would move to Anbar. Thanks a lot 2A hero's. Leave your AK in the trunk.


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Another time, at another job, I kicked a would be robber out. I walked in and here is some guy hassling the other waitress. What's wrong with you, yelling at a little old lady?? Get out (well, that and a few more words we won't post here), and yelled for the cooks. He got out... then I found out what I'd done. I thought he was just a drunk, oh well.

Damn... I was thinking you roundhouse kicked him!  :;):

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Clerk was nervously eyeing her.  So was the other customer.  I stood at the door, held it open for her as she walked out.

The palpable tension  from the clerk and other customer was visibly eased.  So was mine.

Told this story to someone close.  The reply was "Good for her!"....the assumption was she must have been a brave patriot, ready to protect herself and others in case an armed  loonie  decided to shoot up the Subway.

My assumption was different:  the chances were better that an armed loonie was already in the Subway.

Thankfully, Subway had fresh bread:

The Associated Press reports a woman threatened to shoot everyone inside a Burger King location in Mount Pleasant, S.C. on Tuesday, May 13. Police said the customer was upset over a stale cinnamon roll.

According to the Post and Courier, a witness said she started shouting at employees when she learned there was only one Cinnabon treat left. The unidentified woman allegedly left with two female friends after a manager came to speak with her, but later returned.

"I'm going to shoot down the place," she said, according to the police report. She also allegedly had her hand in her purse, as if she was preparing to pull out a gun.


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When Chic-fil-a was catching hell from the Left for their CEO's anti-gay politics, the Right was all for the business to have their say. Now that a business has exercised their property rights and requested all non- LEOs leave their firearms home, the Right is all indignant that their Constitutional Rights are being restricted.  Guess what?  Those Rights are only what the government can or cannot do.  Any property owner can set their own requirements, and most employers do also.

I say let them eat elsewhere.  Soon enough, they will either decide to leave their weapons home and eat there, or Chipotle will feel the economic toll and reverse it's decision, or neither.  I have not seen any articles on Starbucks feeling the pinch.

I would hope more and more businesses would start doing this.  If some gun owners feel the need to carry at all times, then they can eat at home where no one will disturb their desire to carry.  


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Suire...if you are the type that thinks every women wearing a short skirt wants to have sex with you, or every car is being driven by a drunk.

When I come across a person in the woods with a firearm I don't assume they are there to create mayhem.  Just as I don't assume that everyone with matches is in the woods to start a forest fire.

I don't need fire alarms in my house because the dog is sure to alert me if there is a fire.  So you shouldn't need them either.  throw them out today.  Fido is all you need.
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One of my friends, a VERY ardent 2nd Amendment supporter, summed it up well on Facebook:

Well, there you have it. A company that was cool with you carrying concealed is now telling you to leave your gun in the car. Why ? Because a bunch of mouth breathing crusaders decided to take it upon themselves and open carry long guns and scare some children. Well done. Guess what, your 2A rights do not supersede property rights and now the issue is forced and we lose. If I wanted to go out to eat and see a bunch of sketchy bearded zealots carrying small arms, I would move to Anbar. Thanks a lot 2A hero's. Leave your AK in the trunk.

So those same people were OK as long as they didn't know that the people eating at the next table were armed?

I have no problem with a business choosing to exclude firearms from their premises, for whatever reason.

But let's at least be intellectually honest about this decision.  The complaints were because people saw other people with firearms, not because people were armed.
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I would like to encourage certain forum members to frequent bars that allow firearms and use your usual forum charm while chatting there. Nice knowing you.

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In this day and age why wouldn't anyone's first reaction to seeing someone in public with a gun be one of suspicion?

Suire...if you are the type that thinks every women wearing a short skirt wants to have sex with you....."

Just wearing a short skirt? No.

But, what  if she's also dragging a mattress down the street with a box of condoms strapped to her hip?


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My gun-owning/permit-holding advice to my GrandKids, if they see a non-LEO enter a store with a holstered gun.

"They are probably not going to shoot you.....but, avoid eye contact and walk slowly and calmly out the door....if it's not holstered, run out the door".


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In this day and age why wouldn't anyone's first reaction to seeing someone in public with a gun be one of suspicion?

Suire...if you are the type that thinks every women wearing a short skirt wants to have sex with you....."

Just wearing a short skirt? No.

But, what  if she's also dragging a mattress down the street with a box of condoms strapped to her hip?

That stuff could be for her girlfriend.
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You seriously believe that an all encompassing gun ban will make all the bad guys roll over and give up their already illegal firearms?


Yes. It has been done a number of times, in a number of countries, in the last 100 years. It took Ferdinand Marcos less than ten years to make the Philippines gun free, except for the military, beginning in the early 1970's. His military pried the "cold dead hands" from the guns of a lot gun owners who refused to comply at first. Then the registered guns were quickly surrendered to the military. See confiscation of guns remembered .

One can learn a lot from a study of history.

The US has a much more powerful military than Ferndinand Marcos did in the Philippines, and computer technology will make identifying gun owners much easier. So I doubt it would take ten years to make the US gun free.


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