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I really don't give a rat's behind about the Washington football team's name.  But I was astounded to see the U.S. Senate, lead by Harry Reid, debating the issue.  I would think they have better things to do than argue about what to call a bunch of guys who kick a ball around.  As has been said, "What a country."  Sheesh! :p

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Its too bad from a graphic design perspective as the Redskins logo is just tops in my book.
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Two thoughts...

Jer, I agree.

greg, thought locally is that the logo would stand if the name were changed to something similiar.  Now, if the plaintiffs decide to go after the Cleveland Indians, KC Chiefs and Atlanta Braves, it could potentially make a whole class of names and logos unusable.


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I was going to start a thread on this subject to see how others feel.

I have mixed but muted feelings about it. I don't find it offensive, but I am not part of the population that matters. Are native American groups really put off by it?

In today's environment, the whole thing with Congress smacks of political grandstanding. But that's nothing new. The trademark decision seems pretty questionable.


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Are native American groups really put off by it?

Would anyone be offended if a team had a name like... say... the Jacksonville Jigaboos and the mascot was a black person picking cotton?


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Some one would be offended if they were simply assigned numbers instead of actual names.

Which I could totally see in the case of "43"....

Congress sees D.C. as their home turf so a local team is going to get scrutiny and you can bet back home interested parties poke at this as well: I expect Reid has quite a few people in Nevada vocally chiming in on this. Not much is viewed through any sort of "national" lens. Look at the sole Representative who's going to be able to entirely block a land purchase for Yosemite National Park on the basis it now falls in his district due to redistricting while everyone else on all side of the aisle at local state and federal levels including the two current owner groups...
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A lot of Cherokee and Choctaw ancestry in my family.  Most do not identify too closely with their American Indian heritage, but some do, including some who are registered tribal members.

I've never discussed the issue with them, but I would... very... strongly... advise against calling them a Redskin.


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I would be okay with the Washington Whiteskins.....................would that offend anyone here?

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They should rename them the "Washington Gridlock."

That's a good double-entendre.


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They should rename them the "Washington Gridlock."

That's a good double-entendre.

Now that's the most sensible suggestion yet. :D

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I literally LOL'd. :D

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0J6vURwLSc

What controversy?


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I was going to start a thread on this subject to see how others feel.

I have mixed but muted feelings about it. I don't find it offensive, but I am not part of the population that matters. Are native American groups really put off by it?

In today's environment, the whole thing with Congress smacks of political grandstanding. But that's nothing new. The trademark decision seems pretty questionable.

It doesn't matter how we feel, they say don't do it. That ought to be enough. It's being heard by congress because they're petitioning for it and have been since the 70's. Not just mascots and team names, some would also like to see certain terms such as squaw dropped from use as it's a very derogatory term. For those not in the know, it is not a Native woman, but a woman of no status, that you can use or do with as you please. That particular term is used in a lot of place names. Valley, Lake, whatever. They have a point, it's not appropriate. We wouldn't name such things with similar terms from our own language.

http://youtu.be/mR-tbOxlhvE


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If they are not offended....then neither am I  :laugh:


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Took me a while to find this...I knew I read it somewhere

http://nationalinterest.org/comment....sy-9395


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They should rename them the "Washington Gridlock."

That's a good double-entendre.

Now that's the most sensible suggestion yet. :D

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If they are not offended....then neither am I  :laugh:

So what if they are not, many are. There are plenty of Blacks that censor others for throwing the N bomb around. There is literally no difference between the N word and the term redskin. None. Some may be okay with it, and even describe themselves as red, but that's their thing, not ours to impose on them. Others think they have way bigger fish to fry and if people want to act ignorant, let them act ignorant. Being called an objectionable name does rather pale in the face of genocide and culture war. Others will do all the things, and demand respect. I'm pretty cool with that.

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Lots of blacks use the N-word among themselves even while non-blacks are offended by the use yet those same blacks would be seriously outraged if/when a non-black used the term.

The big difference? Blacks have political power, Indians don't.


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Used to be that black and brown skinned folks had no power either.

This is the process of growing power and learning to use it, IMO.


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from what I've heard the word Redskins
was used for turning in scalps for money
way back in the early years before
the United States even became a country.
It was similar to turning in beaver and
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That's a good double-entendre.

Now that's the most sensible suggestion yet. :D

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http://www.cbssports.com/mlb....oo-logo

Cleveland is up next.  My guess is Atlanta before Kansas City if this gains momentum.


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The Padres withstood a run at their name in the 70's, maybe that will come around again.
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Really?  Who was upset about that one?

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Really?  Who was upset about that one?

The Catholic Church.

Might have been the mascot looked a tad too much like a (albeit Spanish colonial era) priest, can't remember the precise details. Maybe the "Halo" on the top of the hats?

They tend to get upset every once in a while, the Church really objected to SSN-705, a Los Angeles class missile submarine, i.e. a weapons platform of mass death and destruction, being tentatively named for one particular American city as is the recent tradition for such: "Corpus Cristi"...

So it got tweaked to:"City of Corpus Cristi"..
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They tend to get upset every once in a while, the Church really objected to SSN-705, a Los Angeles class missile submarine, i.e. a weapons platform of mass death and destruction, being tentatively named for one particular American city as is the recent tradition for such: "Corpus Cristi"...

So it got tweaked to:"City of Corpus Cristi"..
If Kim Jung-un gets fightin' mad about a Seth Rogen comedy about his assassination, can you imagine what an Islamic state might think about a cruise missile tagged "Corpus Christi" being lobbed their way? Holy War!! Jihad!!

Well, let's face it: "thin-skinned" pretty much describes the human race...
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They tend to get upset every once in a while, the Church really objected to SSN-705, a Los Angeles class missile submarine, i.e. a weapons platform of mass death and destruction, being tentatively named for one particular American city as is the recent tradition for such: "Corpus Cristi"...

So it got tweaked to:"City of Corpus Cristi"..
http://navysite.de/ssn/ssn705.htm

FWIW, the 688 Los Angeles Class are Fast Attack Subs, NOT "missile submarines".  They carry no SLBMs.  They do carry Tomahawk cruise missiles, but (reportedly) all are conventional tactical missiles and none have nuclear warheads.  So (reportedly) no weapons of mass destruction aboard.
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The Catholic Church, and others, still didn't like it.

http://news.usni.org/2013....versies
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Some good commentary from John Oliver's new show:

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