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I am looking at the requirements for B'pking in the Grand Canyon.  One of the requirements is a food storage container.  Can anyone give me any insight to what kind of container is referred to?

On multi-day trips in the canyon, what did you use?

Is an Ursack acceptable?


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You mentioned a R2R on the other forum.  The corridor campgrounds (Bright Angel, Cottonwood, Indian Garden) all have ammo cans in the sites, so you don't need to bring your own container.

Elsewhere, your biggest issue are the mice.  There are also some ravens and ringtails but not as consistently.

I use the metal mesh bags, like Outsaks.  Ursacks are acceptable and I know hikers who use them.  Just make sure you can cinch it down well; mice are great at getting through tiny openings.


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I used a canister, but I wasn't on the corridor trails, and it doubled as a seat.  Mice & squirrels are the biggest concern.
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Sometimes the provided metal boxes get full if many are at the campground or do not latch.  Our group brought Ursacks which can be tied a special way to prevent rodents from getting in through the top.

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Do they require or recommend? If they require I'd expect they'd give examples of what would fill the requirement (California Sierra agencies do) if it's a recommendation then get something, as above, that will resist rodents.

http://www.nps.gov/grca....age.pdf

A description of choices is at the bottom of the page.

"Animal-Proof Storage Containers
Metal ammunition cases are provided at every campsite at Indian Garden, Bright Angel, and Cottonwood campgrounds. Their use is mandatory where they are available.
Metal cookie tins, bear canisters, and cooking pots with lockable lids work well.
Interlocking wire mesh bags. These are available at Canyon Village Marketplace on the South Rim for rent or purchase. They are also available through the Grand Canyon Association, at the Backcountry Information Center, and other commercial outlets"
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I haven't seen issues (mice) but I'm typically in the canyon mid-winter (total of 34 trips). If ammo cans are present I use them but I'm often on the East Tonto (undesignated) and haven't had any problems.

There are credible reports of ravens opening pack zippers.
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There are credible reports of ravens opening pack zippers.

I went to a talk on ravens (YNP) and the speaker said many researchers believe ravens to be as intelligent as or even more so than chimpanzees. They are not only capable of opening zippers, they'll cooperate to open buckles and even latches.

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I don't turn my back on them when they are near. Haven't had any real trouble but the downside could be considerable.   :D  Eerie them typically coming in in pairs, sizing you up. I do find myself wondering if one is setting me up for the other to dash in, grab something.
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I haven't seen issues (mice) but I'm typically in the canyon mid-winter (total of 34 trips). If ammo cans are present I use them but I'm often on the East Tonto (undesignated) and haven't had any problems.

There are credible reports of ravens opening pack zippers.

At Phantom Ranch, I watched ringtails unzip every zipper on Mrs. big_load's pack and completely empty it, one item at a time, looking for food.  (They scored a candy bar from the site next to us).

Our food was in the ammo cans.
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One more to add to the legendary stories of Phantom Ranch. This almost sounds like one of Sjors' stories (a Dutch name,  a ranger/volunteer who has been there 20 some years). He has some great canyon stories. Better than the SAR epics though is he taught me much of what I know about canyon rain pockets.
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