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Best time of the year to visit Zion, and best time in fall?

Right now it looks like i am heading up that way in early October for some day trips and longer.

Looking for suggestions.  I just ordered a guide book and TI map for zion.


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Hey RedDoug, I've been contemplating the same kind of trip (with maybe some mountain biking worked in as well) to Zion around the same time frame. Nothing for certain yet.  Much depends on my family situation, but if things work out, maybe we could hook up.  If you're interested, shoot me a PM.

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I have been to Zion several times. The best time of year is subjective of course, but Zion gets really hot in the summer. October is a splendid time to go there if you prefer cooler weather and the crowds will be smaller.
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I went there a few years ago to meet my new grandson, who has now moved to the Grand Canyon.  The leaves were beginning to turn in the Canyon, but the road to Lava Point was much more colorful.

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Great time to go.  The only drawback is slightly shorter days.
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Hey RedDoug, I've been contemplating the same kind of trip (with maybe some mountain biking worked in as well) to Zion around the same time frame. Nothing for certain yet.  Much depends on my family situation, but if things work out, maybe we could hook up.  If you're interested, shoot me a PM.

I am going to register for a couple of guided tours with this company in Moab:

http://moabdesertadventures.com/canyoneering.htm

I want to do the two all day canyon trips: Hidden Splendor and Plaedies.  It would be a bit cheaper if I had someone to share expenses with.

I want to do this on a Mon/Tueday and Wed drive down to Zion and camp in the main campground, then Thursday/Frida do the slot river walk and Angel's Landing trail and then try 3- 4 night backcountry trip.

Plans are subject to change, as far as which week.  Company would be great, otherwise I am alone.

I am looking Oct 1 & 2 or 8 & 9 in Moab.  I have always wanted to do one of those slot canyons and I think this would be the best way to try it.    You would be welcome to join me.  

I would be coming from AZ near Phoenix.

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Doing some searches on Zion NP it looks like longer multi-day hikes in Zion are not there- true?  Whats at the end of the Narrows?

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I might only spend a few days at Zion and then drop down to the north rim of the GC.  I am looking at that option now.

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Doing some searches on Zion NP it looks like longer multi-day hikes in Zion are not there- true?  Whats at the end of the Narrows?

There's a shuttle bus to the end of the Narrows which opens to the National Park.  It's basically a deep stream cutting through some trees but as you go further into the canyon, the walls slowly start closing in on you as you go from sand bar to sand bar through knee deep water (give or take, .. the time I went).  At a certain point, the gray, water-smoothed walls are pretty close together.  Committed at that point.  I started late AM and had to go back as I wasn't permitted or equipped for overnight .  

Hiking poles won't cut it (trust me - ouch) -- better to have a thick hiking staff (some places used to rent them out).

If you get a permit and a ride, you can come back from the outer part of the park.


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I love Zion, and early October is my very favorite time to be there.  The scrubby oak trees are beautiful then and are amazing against the contrast of the red canyon walls.  Weather is usually perfect.  It's heaven.  
The Narrows hike ends just a mile from the main canyon road.  There is a paved path leading from there to the road and a shuttle bus stop.  

This site has really comprehensive info on hiking in and around Zion:

http://www.zionnational-park.com/hiking-zion-national-park.htm


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Good info on the Narrows- No idea how that hike as done.

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Jer,

A ton of prime options (high to low elevation)  in that area, dial in the choices depending on weather, cold fronts.

tad north of Zion (near Cedar Breaks NM) is prime MTB at Brian Head.

Relatively nearby -- North Rim of the Grand Canyon. I'd also consider Great Basin NP, and particularly Mount Moriah just north of the park. High elevation but reasonable with a check of the forecast.
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A multi-day hike would be to start at the Kolob part of the Park next to I-15 and head east ending at the base of Angel's Landing in the Canyon itself.  You can continue if you like and end up over by Checkerboard Mesa.  Parts of it are wonderful, others just nice, but it is a good hike with plenty of vistas.

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I am doing that trip you mention Starwalker (the Zion Traverse). We are going the second week of November and hoping for good fall colors. We have reservations for a few sites but right now we are hoping the park opens back up. Getting out is not an issue but getting in would require an extra 4 miles and a much longer first day with heavy packs. Plus I am not sure I want to park cars out by the highway. The East side might not be as much of an issue but still...
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Water sources could be dry.  Check with rangers (if and when they open back up).  Ive done that cross trip quite a few times.  Only once that late in the year.  Seems like water was very dry.  Once you leave Hops Valley, there are like 3 or 4 springs until you get into Zion Canyon.  The pipe one by Wildcat Canyon ( I can't remember if this dries out or not), the one by the first campsite on the ridge trail, and then up on top of the plateau before you drop down to Angel's Landing.  That one was a muddy drip on my October trip.

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FYI, Capital Reef.  Best of the NP in Utah.

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Good info on the Narrows- No idea how that hike as done.

My understanding is that it can be done in a couple different ways.  From the "top" - you follow the river down to the mouth.  I believe it's an overnighter, and there is some canyoneering involved.

Most folks doing a dayhike will start at the boardwalk in the park, hike up stream for as long as they have time for, then turn around and hike back out to the same spot.


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I checked with the rangers before they shut down and was told Stave Spring was already dry, I don't expect that to be available. The others were flowing but I was told nothing of their clarity? I imagine we will drink a bit less with the cooler temps but was planning on bring extra water up to the east plateau. Maybe instead of hiking with two bottles of which is usually told make a big dent when it is cold hike with a spare in flat able bottle.
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A quick update. The Zion Traverse was pretty damn amazing! There was lots of color (mainly yellow) in the canyon. The high country had very little but was still an amazing place to hike. There was some snow on the north side around 7000ft. Temps dropped to as low as 25 but for the most part were great. I would suggest that if you want color in the high country a month earlier might help. I think we just happen to get a few cold spells that killed the leaves before we left.
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A quick update. The Zion Traverse was pretty damn amazing! There was lots of color (mainly yellow) in the canyon. The high country had very little but was still an amazing place to hike. There was some snow on the north side around 7000ft. Temps dropped to as low as 25 but for the most part were great. I would suggest that if you want color in the high country a month earlier might help. I think we just happen to get a few cold spells that killed the leaves before we left.

Such a beautiful place!!!


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Advantages.

good Weather - The sun was shining, and the temperatures got up to the high seventies, although at night it dipped into the forties.

Buses Are Running – Because of limited parking, private vehicles are not allowed in the main part of the valley. Instead, shuttle buses run at frequent intervals, carrying visitors to all the major points of interest and trail heads. In November, the buses will run only on weekends.

not Crowded – We were certainly not alone, but the park never felt crowded. The shuttle bus drivers related that their buses are packed to the gills in the summer months, but there was always plenty of room during our visit.
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Low Water in the Narrows – The stream flow is typically low in the fall, which makes it easier to work your way up and down the Virgin River Narrows.

Easier to Find Accommodations – Rooms seemed to be available in Springdale every evening we were there, although things might be busier on weekends.

Better Photography – Although the sun being lower on the horizon means more shadows in the canyons, it gives better light for photography in areas exposed to sunlight. This is especially true in mid-day. Mid-day photos in October are much better than summer photos taken at that time of day, which tend to be rather flat.
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With nighttime temperatures in the forties, the mornings were pretty brisk, especially in the shaded portions of the canyon. The solution is to dress in layers so you can peel off as the temperatures rise. We were glad for gloves and warm hats the morning we watched the sunrise from Canyon Overlook.

Less Daylight – There is less time for really enjoyable hiking than in the summer because there are fewer hours of daylight. Also, the sun is lower in the horizon, which means even fewer hours that the sunlight reaches the canyon floor. The Narrows and the side canyons see even less sunlight. Park rangers should be able to suggest the best time of day to visit each of the places on your itinerary.
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