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Anyone know which ones? Balsam Mt is the only one I'm really concerned about them closing. Going to miss that one if it shuts for the summer.
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Where did you hear that?

I don't see that information anywhere.

The nps.gov site shows opening dates for all the campgrounds including Balsam Mt on May 10th.

http://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/frontcountry-camping.htm
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http://www.cnn.com/interac....t=po_c2

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that is under the projected impact column, not the "actual impact" column.
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Yes, I should have put "may" in the title.
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from KnoxNews:

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To meet its share of the federal budget cuts, Smokies officials have identified three front country campgrounds for closing — Abrams Creek, Look Rock and Balsam Mountain. The Look Rock and Heintooga picnic areas also would remain closed this season because of sequestration.


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I'd be interested in knowing how much it costs to operate these campgrounds on a daily basis.  I would have thought Abrams Creek would be self-sustaining.
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That sucks.
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I'd be interested in knowing how much it costs to operate these campgrounds on a daily basis.  I would have thought Abrams Creek would be self-sustaining.

You would think that, but that implies logic.  This is the government we're talking about.

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Amen, tiger.  They're talking about shutting down tours at Mammoth Cave.  I'd always heard it was one of the better "money making" parks.

http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2013....es22892
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There are 500,000 acres of forest in the Park.  Just throw down a bivy bedroll camp somewhere and get some rest.

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There are 500,000 acres of forest in the Park.  Just throw down a bivy bedroll camp somewhere and get some rest.

Ha! It's just too bad the Park service won't let you camp on 99.9993% of that 500K acres.

Balsam is sort of a starting point for the fam and I after pulling the all day drive from FL. Yeah, we can find elsewhere but will miss this little bit of tradition, if it comes to pass.
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They're charging folding money for the backpackers and yet closing more sites to camp and will probably, most certainly, bulldoze a couple more roads for the free-entry car drivers to get their lard-butted rolling couch potato Nature Fix as the Park earns its reputation as being the most Air Polluted Park in the country.

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Yeah, I will be BPing elsewhere this summer due to the new fees. I won't miss dodging the tuber tourists.
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They're charging folding money for the backpackers and yet closing more sites to camp and will probably, most certainly, bulldoze a couple more roads for the free-entry car drivers to get their lard-butted rolling couch potato Nature Fix as the Park earns its reputation as being the most Air Polluted Park in the country.

keywords "FREE ENTRY CAR DRIVERS".

well said walter.
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Yeah, I will be BPing elsewhere this summer due to the new fees. I won't miss dodging the tuber tourists.

That's what a lot of us locals are afraid is going to happen.
We enjoy the small, secluded backcountry areas of our local national forests and worry that the limited space and amenities is these wilderness areas is going to take a big punishment.
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FREE ENTRY CAR DRIVERS".

Casinos in Cherokee would go to court if the NPS slapped an entry fee on 441.
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Yeah, I will be BPing elsewhere this summer due to the new fees. I won't miss dodging the tuber tourists.

That's what a lot of us locals are afraid is going to happen.
We enjoy the small, secluded backcountry areas of our local national forests and worry that the limited space and amenities is these wilderness areas is going to take a big punishment.

I'm sure there we will be a slight increase. Hopefully they'll all go to Shinning Rock  :D
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The great majority of backpackers in the Southeast are snippet weekenders and in some ways the new Park rules favor them.  Once they get the hang of the system.  

On the other hand, there's a vast area of trails running from Mt Rogers backcountry south including the AT (skip the Park) and includes Shining Rock, the Pisgah Holylands where the Mountains to Sea trail cuts thru Steels Creek and Upper Creek and Harpers Creek and Lost Cove Creek and then there's Citico and Slickrock wilderness along with the Snowbirds and Brushy Ridge trails leading down into the Bald River wilderness and the Upper Bald area which the BMT bisects and south on the BMT to the Little Frog and Big Frog wilderness and into the Cohuttas.  Who needs the Smokies??


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Agreed on the weekender and Park descriptions.

The Smokies are enjoyable once you get out past the riff raff but since they've added the fees, I have a sour taste in my mouth when I think about scheduling BP trips there. I like flexibility and the option of heading to a different CG if something pops up or I just feel like it. Will, more than likely, be heading out to the Citico/Slickrock area this summer. The Shining Rock area is just way too crowded during that time.
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i agree that not having flexibility is a PITA and a definite downside to BPing the Smokies, but that's not exactly a new thing. even before the fees one was still expected to be permited including reserving or being permitted for certain sites for certain nights. either way, assuming they exist in the BC, a ranger would have to be a ornery SOB to give you a hard time about being in CS58 as opposed to 59.

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Oh, I definitely agree with you on the ranger comment. See, that is the part that I don't have much faith in. The Government will have to cut/furlough NPS positions and, somehow, these new BC CG fees are funding fulltime BC rangers? I seriously doubt it. When I go out into the BC I really don't care to have show my papers, you know. Just let me be.
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yeah, i hear ya. over on the Cumberland we have Savage Gulf, which is run by the state.  nine out of ten times, at least on the weekends, you can expect a ranger to visit you in the evenings at the BC sites ... annoys the snot out of me for some reason, but it's usually a really nice, young guy that knows a lot about the park.

what's more annoying is the fact that the Smokies doesn't even freakin have BC Rangers! they're all busy corralling the rolling couch potatoes that Walter alluded to.


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It's not so much the ranger visits that bother me at Savage Gulf, but the way they sneak up on you. I stayed at Alum Gap last fall and noticed they'd blown all the leaves away---not just around the campsites, but also on the network of trails through the camping area. I figured they cleared off the trail so you couldn't hear the ranger coming. :)

They're always nice as can be, but the way they materialize out of nothing and are suddenly in your campsite is a bit unnerving.


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annoys the snot out of me for some reason, but it's usually a really nice, young guy that knows a lot about the park.





and, based on my one experience there, will be more tolerant about prohibited things......


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at alum gap------if you hear a motorized vehicle in the area, expect a ranger visit.....

stayed there a couple of years ago, and about 8 or 9 thought it was weird to hear vehicle noise........then the rangers came in about 20 minutes later....

on the  hike out---passed the boundary line and saw a dirt road where the rangers had parked and walked in (which is maybe a 5 minute walk from campground)....
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Bumping this as I've read that 400(!) campsites with be closed this summer along the blue ridge parkway due to the sequester. This is pretty bad news for me, if true, because I usually hit BRP campgrounds at times during my summer/fall trips up that way.

Any one have any details about campgrounds being closed?

Looks like park plans, everywhere are going to be way more stressful than they need to be this summer.

http://money.cnn.com/2013....t=hp_t3
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Ugh. This is bad.  I've been having bad dreams about this very thing.  My feeling on it is that I hope this stuff is limited to this year only. I hope my feeling on it is dead wrong and this does not drag on as I anticipate it may.   We're in deep chit financially as a nation.  While I am not in agreement with the fee in the Smokies.. I would have balked far less had the admin. just said "hey folks.. we need some extra revenue for keeping some of this stuff going. Let's charge everyone a small fee across the board and offer a pass deal for frequent users."

The way it was handled has been abysmal.  Businesses in Gatlinburg, Townsend and some outlying areas offer small discounts to locals.  It would not have killed the park service to let those who either live in the region .. cut 'em a break on the price OR even for folks who just come and use the park often!


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RE: GSMNP...they are closing sites not to save money, but to annoy the visitors enough to call Congress. Every federal agency just learned a lesson from the FAA...the squeeky wheel gets greased. Not a new tactic...Gov Sundquist closed state parks back in the 90s because he said we couldn't afford them. Hogwash. Parks on all levels are a nominal part of any budget.

RE: Savage Gulf leaf blowing...they actually do that to cut down on ankle injuries and SAR operations. Several of the connector trails that run down into the gulf are riddled with rocks and boulders and pose a pretty real threat for busting your ass in the fall and winter when you can't see whats underneath the leaves. Sounds weird, but it makes sense. Them rangers are stealthy though aint they? They aren't trying to bust yer balls, mostly just looking out for idiot teenagers having too much fun. Plenty of them in Grundy County. Not much else to do on a friday night. Get drunk at Hobbs Cabin...piss off an ovberlook.
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