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Anyone else bothered by some of the online gear stores that advertise an item for a great price, only to find that the price applies to one selection of that item in a ridiculous size and color, while the selections virtually anyone would actually want are much higher?

For example a men's down jacket from a name brand, 700 or 800 fill, for $105 -- what a deal! Until you click through to the selections and find the only one for that price is size XXXL in bright pink, while all the reasonable colors in sizes that hikers and backpackers would actually wear are priced at $200? I don't even want to shop these sites anymore, too frustrating, and I think we all know which sites I'm talking about...


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That kind of thing aggravates the hell out of me.  And I see it a lot with the two big retailers.  Which is one reason why I'm leaning more and more toward the cottage shops.  Products may not always be exactly what you want, maybe due to less variety (fewer "models"), but accountability is better, and basic marketing is more honest.  I'm personally really pissed at REI right now for a variety of reasons.  Looking to buy a new pack and a new tent... and leaning toward ULA and Tarptent for those needs.  Honestly goes a long way....
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That kind of thing aggravates the hell out of me.  And I see it a lot with the two big retailers.  Which is one reason why I'm leaning more and more toward the cottage shops.  Products may not always be exactly what you want, maybe due to less variety (fewer "models"), but accountability is better, and basic marketing is more honest.  I'm personally really pissed at REI right now for a variety of reasons.  Looking to buy a new pack and a new tent... and leaning toward ULA and Tarptent for those needs.  Honestly goes a long way....

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It's just a retailer trying to clear out last year's product that's left over.  It's always the sizes at the extreme end or the unpopular colors that go for the lower prices in those cases.

It's a well known fact that if you want to save money, one way of doing it is to buy the garish colors at the end of the season.

The only thing I find annoying is when those items are listed alongside the new regular price items in a dropdown list.  Give last year's stuff that's on sale a separate listing and the new stuff on regular price their own listing.  They are not located next to each other on the sales floor in a brick&mortar store, so why should they be online?


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I agree.  I can understand when they are highly discounting the unsold stock and they only have something like men's shoes in a size 7.  But when they advertise a product at a particular price, all stock of that product ought to be sold at that price.

The "free shipping" come on is also misleading when the email ad fails to mention the minimum order price - I stopped shopping at Cabela's because they kept sending me emails proclaiming "free shipping this week" then when I clicked through the site, it was free shipping on orders of $150 or more.
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If its bait and switch I'm annoyed, when its clearance of old inventory I completely understand. It IS the offbeat that's  going to gather dust after all and be left for clearance sales.
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I understand this is clearance stuff. If there are only certain sizes and colors at that price, fine. But when they show the product with a single price on the main listing (not even the word "from" next to it), and then you click through to the product to find 19 choices at double the advertised price and only one at the deal, that seems deceptive to me.

They can sell different sizes and colors of the same item at different prices if they want, that's their prerogative, but list them separately or something, that's my beef. It's borderline bait-and-switch IMO...


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The only thing I find annoying is when those items are listed alongside the new regular price items in a dropdown list.  Give last year's stuff that's on sale a separate listing and the new stuff on regular price their own listing.
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I can understand when they are highly discounting the unsold stock and they only have something like men's shoes in a size 7.  But when they advertise a product at a particular price, all stock of that product ought to be sold at that price.
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The ones that annoy me the most are the ones listed $10.00 cheaper than any one else, but charge $20.00 more for shipping
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That's called "bait and switch" in the auto industry.  Show me a salesman and I'll show you a liar.
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Show me a salesman and I'll show you a liar

Not exactly...
I was a "salesman" for over tweny years and even 10 years after having left the floor to work in an office I still had customers coming in asking for me and yes when possible I still looked after them.
So I really don't think they came in just  to talk to a liar.
However you would be surprised how often customers lie to salespeople.
For example in my game (cameras) quoting silly prices from shops that did not even stock the brand or pretending that their camera with a dented corner or cracked screen  just stopped working for no good reason...

To add...
Having worked in specialist photo shops, most of my colleagues were not really salesman at all in because all they could sell was cameras ,that was their passion and interest.
When I left the shop we had over 40 sales people and I employed most of them.
The vast majority of them if leaving the trade would  not continue in sales but found a job to do with photography or completely unrelated to sales.
From what I have seen in the local outdoor shops the situation is the same.
Those guys can (sort of...) sell the gear they like and or use  but would not be able to sell unrelated products.
Now it is just possible that there are car salesman that just love cars and that is why they sell them.
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Most car salesmen I know are divorced alcoholics with a nose for cocaine and the poker table.
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As The Great Communicator might say... there you go again.  

If I was a car salesman, I might take offense.  

Anyway, the topic was companies that advertise a good price on a product and then only have size xxxxxxxl for that price.  The issue of whether "salesmen" are honest was not the topic.  

Just my humble suggestion as to staying on topic...and avoiding slinging insults.  

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As The Great Communicator might say... there you go again.  

If I was a car salesman, I might take offense.  

Anyway, the topic was companies that advertise a good price on a product and then only have size xxxxxxxl for that price.  The issue of whether "salesmen" are honest was not the topic.  

Just my humble suggestion as to staying on topic...and avoiding slinging insults.  

:)

If you we're a car salesman, you'd say, "right on brutha".
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As The Great Communicator might say... there you go again.  

If I was a car salesman, I might take offense.  

Anyway, the topic was companies that advertise a good price on a product and then only have size xxxxxxxl for that price.  The issue of whether "salesmen" are honest was not the topic.  

Just my humble suggestion as to staying on topic...and avoiding slinging insults.  

:)

If you we're a car salesman, you'd say, "right on brutha".

A man walked into a tavern and sat next to a very attractive, smartly
dressed woman perched on a bar stool.
"Hi there, Good Looking. How's it going?" he asked.
The woman looked him straight in the eye and said, "Listen, I'll screw
anybody, anytime, anywhere, your place, my place, it doesn't matter. I've
been doing it ever since I got out of school, and I just love it!"
"No kidding?," said the man, "I'm a salesman too! What dealership are you with?"
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As The Great Communicator might say... there you go again.  

If I was a car salesman, I might take offense.  

Anyway, the topic was companies that advertise a good price on a product and then only have size xxxxxxxl for that price.  The issue of whether "salesmen" are honest was not the topic.  

Just my humble suggestion as to staying on topic...and avoiding slinging insults.  

:)

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As The Great Communicator might say... there you go again.  

If I was a car salesman, I might take offense.  

Anyway, the topic was companies that advertise a good price on a product and then only have size xxxxxxxl for that price.  The issue of whether "salesmen" are honest was not the topic.  

Just my humble suggestion as to staying on topic...and avoiding slinging insults.  

:)

??????

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He was worried about car salesmen taking offense and then threw out a joke clearly meant as offensive to car salesmen?
That is what I didn't get.
Seems like he was "slinging insults", too.


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I was trying to lighten things up by adding a little levity.  It was, as you said, a joke.  

Never mind.
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I was trying to lighten things up by adding a little levity.  It was, as you said, a joke.  

Never mind.

jmarklane,
But that is kind of like 'dogging' on someone for something and then turning around and doing it yourself.  
Ah well, it all makes for interesting discussion.

Franco, you're still a salesman and a darned good one.  I might give you hard time occasionally but I appreciate your information and you've 'written' me into more than one shelter.


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Hey toesnorth, why do you insist on lecturing people?  Are you a psychologist?
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Hey toesnorth, why do you insist on lecturing people?  Are you a psychologist?

No, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn at least once in my life and I can recognize a inferiority complex a mile away.
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Now see, that's a perfect example.  Was that derogatory remark necessary?  Sheesh...
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Now see, that's a perfect example.  Was that derogatory remark necessary?  Sheesh...

If it seemed out of context, remember that I am responding to all your recent comments, including the kilt thread.
And, if I am too harsh, I apologize.  I am impatient with newcomers to this forum who strut and presume too much.
We're all basically good, helpful people (except for me, I guess) so if you stick around you're liable to learn something.  Just hit the ignore button for my input.


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I don't have a problem with anyone as long as they don't try to lord it over me.
What makes you think that a newcomer would actually need any tips from anyone? Isn't it possible that a newcomer might have his ducks in a row?  I decided to post a bit strictly out of boredom. I'm thinking your clique is too much like high school, so I will probably just continue on my way in a few days.  There, you can sigh with relief.
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I worked for many years for Chrysler Canada and let me tell you this: even head office knows that most car salesman's ethics are questionable at best.

Boy, do I have stories.


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I hear ya brutha, I sold cars for many years.  Sales managers love the guy that will do WHAT EVER it takes to make the sale.
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"Franco, you're still a salesman and a darned good one.  I might give you hard time occasionally but I appreciate your information and you've 'written' me into more than one shelter. "
Thanks for that but I never made a dime out of anyone here (that I know of) and certainly not out of you unless you have your tents delivered to Australia, so not so sure how that qualifies me as a salesman...
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Hey Franco, sup with those Tasmanian Tigers?
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"Franco, you're still a salesman and a darned good one.  I might give you hard time occasionally but I appreciate your information and you've 'written' me into more than one shelter. "
Thanks for that but I never made a dime out of anyone here (that I know of) and certainly not out of you unless you have your tents delivered to Australia, so not so sure how that qualifies me as a salesman...

I guess I meant "salesman" in the best sense of the word.  You inspired me to buy tents from your descriptions and pictures.
I guess enabler might be a more accurate term.    :)


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I'm wading in again. For the record, I never called you a troll.
When I first registered here in 2007, I already had a bunch of years of experience.  I am 60 years old and have been carrying my own full pack since I was 9.  I have backpacked regularly since with no more than a month or two off.
I don't necessarily think that newcomers to the forum don't have their "ducks in a row" but just because they have experience doesn't mean they can't learn something new.
I have learned a lot here and continue to do so because I KNOW that I don't know it all.  
I firmly believe in HYOH (hike your own hike).
Don't judge the forum by this old curmudgeon.  Like I said, just use the ignore button for me.  I'm sure that you have a lot to contribute with your experience so stick around and share.


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