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Ricksterz 
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 12:42 pm |
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I have used both the Big Agnes Insulated Air Core pad (IAC) and the Exped Downmat 9 Pump Deluxe pad (Downmat).
Subjectively, there is no question the Downmat feels significantly warmer for me than the IAC. I felt chilly using the IAC at temperatures below 30F. I was comfortable using the Downmat at 18F. I used a Montbell #1 down bag rated for 15F with the Downmat that time. A female friend, who is normally a cold sleeper, in a tent a few feet away in the same 18F weather was warm using her Downmat and a down bag rated for 20F.
Technically, I note the IAC has an R-value specification of 4.1 while the Downmat R-value is 8. R-value is one measure of the insulation power, so a higher R-value is warmer.
The Downmat is not a particularly lightweight pad, as you requested. You will find it heavier than your IAC.
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Fatpacking
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 1:40 pm |
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(TrailTramper @ Nov. 09 2012, 12:55 pm)
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(Fatpacking @ Nov. 09 2012, 11:22 am)
QUOTE Point taken folks. I won't post anymore. I'll be moving on to a different forum. You won't need to worry about my inexperienced posts any more or my attempts to help.
Thanks for the help I did manage to get in the short time I was here. I do appreciate that. Anyways, good trails everyone. Hey now, Fatpacking, don't stomp off like that. You did get some help and at least three people supported your right to post, so carry on. My long post addressed to you was on the mistaken assumption that you were looking for a new mattress. Sorry ahout that.
No, I don't think your post was out of line at all. I realized that you thought I was looking for a pad as well as the OP. It was more because of some other posts. I tried to help and felt like I was attacked because I don't have hundreds of miles under my boots and/or thousands of posts on here. I'm the new guy around here and on the trail, I don't hide that fact. All I was doing was trying to help and I was scolded for it. Like I said, I really appreciate the help I have been given in my daypack thread, and thanks for those that kinda backed me up in this thread. I don't want to go else where as far as forums are concerned, I also don't want to be spanked because a couple people don't like the way I offered some help.
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JRinGeorgia
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 2:31 pm |
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(Fatpacking @ Nov. 09 2012, 1:40 pm)
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(Fatpacking @ Nov. 09 2012, 11:22 am)
QUOTE Point taken folks. I won't post anymore. I'll be moving on to a different forum. You won't need to worry about my inexperienced posts any more or my attempts to help.
Thanks for the help I did manage to get in the short time I was here. I do appreciate that. Anyways, good trails everyone. Hey now, Fatpacking, don't stomp off like that. You did get some help and at least three people supported your right to post, so carry on. My long post addressed to you was on the mistaken assumption that you were looking for a new mattress. Sorry ahout that. No, I don't think your post was out of line at all. I realized that you thought I was looking for a pad as well as the OP. It was more because of some other posts. I tried to help and felt like I was attacked because I don't have hundreds of miles under my boots and/or thousands of posts on here. I'm the new guy around here and on the trail, I don't hide that fact. All I was doing was trying to help and I was scolded for it. Like I said, I really appreciate the help I have been given in my daypack thread, and thanks for those that kinda backed me up in this thread. I don't want to go else where as far as forums are concerned, I also don't want to be spanked because a couple people don't like the way I offered some help.
Hey man, I agree with you. There should be room at the table for both experienced and noobs, and also room for direct experience along with opinion and helpful googling.
If anything, I'm amazed at how often on other forums (not this one) people ask questions that very easily could have been answered if they did a little googling themselves. Helpful folks who do it for you, and without a wisecrack, are gracious at the very least. (There's even a website just for dishing out such sarcasm: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=let+me+google+that+for+you).
I've seen plenty of posts on this forum from people of all experience and forum tenure levels, where someone is throwing up an item they found on an internet search and will admit to not having used it but wanted to share. No spanking involved there.
Personally I can say that I learn from every post put up here by every contributor. Often it just confirms what I already know, and I welcome that. Sometimes it opens my mind to something new, or challenges something old.
So stick around, and contribute, and learn. Remember, you're on here not because you love internet forums but because you want to get the most out your experience on the trail -- the right equipment, the right destinations, the safe approach, not over-spending, etc. It's worth hanging around even if there are a few bumps on the trail.
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Fatpacking
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 2:34 pm |
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(Tigger @ Nov. 09 2012, 1:48 pm)
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(Fatpacking @ Nov. 09 2012, 10:40 am)
QUOTE I also don't want to be spanked because a couple people don't like the way I offered some help. kinky...
hahaha...since you put it that way, maybe it's not such a bad thing...lol
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GoBlueHiker
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 2:37 pm |
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(Fatpacking @ Nov. 09 2012, 11:40 am)
QUOTE No, I don't think your post was out of line at all. I realized that you thought I was looking for a pad as well as the OP. It was more because of some other posts. I tried to help and felt like I was attacked because I don't have hundreds of miles under my boots and/or thousands of posts on here. I'm the new guy around here and on the trail, I don't hide that fact. All I was doing was trying to help and I was scolded for it. Like I said, I really appreciate the help I have been given in my daypack thread, and thanks for those that kinda backed me up in this thread. I don't want to go else where as far as forums are concerned, I also don't want to be spanked because a couple people don't like the way I offered some help.
Frankly, I appreciated your post. I hadn't seen that pad and appreciated having it brought up, as well as your complete honesty from the get-go that it wasn't one you used, just one you'd found, saying "hey, maybe take a look."
I say forget about the folks trying to police the responses instead of offering alternate views. Your post wasn't out of line at all (it surely didn't violate any of the Terms of Service for the forums), and you had as much a right to post as anyone. You certainly weren't attacking anyone. Why we're even talking about this is beyond me, as if you need anyone else's permission to post on a topic. Stick around.
My $.02, anyway.
ETA: JRinGeorgia just expressed my sentiment exactly, above.
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TrailTramper
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 3:58 pm |
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Fatpacking, just so you know, I was almost run out of this forum quite a few years ago for the same reason as you. I like to research gear and post about what I find. I sometimes comment on things I've never even seen, based on what I know about similar items, the specs, etc.
To be honest, new people are sometimes given a rubbing for doing things that long-time members are allowed to do on the theory that the old-timers have more credibility. As a newcomer I got my knuckles rapped for commenting on things I didn't actually own. That's irrational. You don't need to own something to know about it. I don't own a Coleman tent but I'm pretty sure I can tell you why one might not hold up in a week of rain.
This place used to be a heck of a lot rougher. It's gotten pretty tame. Stick around and you might even come to like people you thought were ankle biters . . . especially if they own up to their grouchiness and apologize.
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Tigger
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 4:05 pm |
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We tried to run him out but Eyebp said, "No" so we put our pitchforks down and gave him a bacon party instead...
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Fatpacking
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 5:13 pm |
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hahaha...thanks guys.
Oh, and where do I sign up for a bacon party? Sounds like a darn good time.
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Bette
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 6:04 pm |
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Good advice from the group. yes, we camp sometimes in below freezing weather. the last time out (when I froze) was Bryce canyon and 30°. my tummy was full, I had drank plenty and was warm when I got in my bag. I kept waking up and adding clothes, hat and gloves. Other than get up and run around to get warm :-) I didn't know what else to do. The darn pad just seems to suck the heat from me.
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vigilguy
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 6:50 pm |
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(Fatpacking @ Nov. 09 2012, 1:40 pm)
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(Fatpacking @ Nov. 09 2012, 11:22 am)
QUOTE Point taken folks. I won't post anymore. I'll be moving on to a different forum. You won't need to worry about my inexperienced posts any more or my attempts to help.
Thanks for the help I did manage to get in the short time I was here. I do appreciate that. Anyways, good trails everyone. Hey now, Fatpacking, don't stomp off like that. You did get some help and at least three people supported your right to post, so carry on. My long post addressed to you was on the mistaken assumption that you were looking for a new mattress. Sorry ahout that. No, I don't think your post was out of line at all. I realized that you thought I was looking for a pad as well as the OP. It was more because of some other posts. I tried to help and felt like I was attacked because I don't have hundreds of miles under my boots and/or thousands of posts on here. I'm the new guy around here and on the trail, I don't hide that fact. All I was doing was trying to help and I was scolded for it. Like I said, I really appreciate the help I have been given in my daypack thread, and thanks for those that kinda backed me up in this thread. I don't want to go else where as far as forums are concerned, I also don't want to be spanked because a couple people don't like the way I offered some help.
Understand that Ray may have come across as blunt, but there might be a reason for that.
Before your time, there was one guy in particular, who seemed to know and have personal experience with shoes and boots, but then started to offer his "expert" advice on sleeping bags and tents, etc. The guy did not have actual experience with the products in question, and he came off as a know-it-all and all he had done was extensive internet research. I felt he was very condescending and very offensive, and finally he was booted off of the forums. He started off being being helpful on footwear, but later became quite snarky about gear he knew very little about.
Realize that a lot of us are older and we came from a generation that personal experience, right or wrong, carries a lot of credibility with us. I for one, will share experience only if I have used the product. If I haven't, I keep my mouth shut.
I believe that you have a lot to offer to these forums. Don't take it personal. Just realize that there have been others before you coming here that kinda screwed things up a bit and caused a lot of us to be wary and skeptical and sometimes ornery. 
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Tigger
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 9:06 pm |
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Hey now...before TNB (who I believe is actually not kicked off the boards), there was Alps is the answer to everything. He was fun...
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Tigger
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012, 9:18 pm |
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Bette - Wear down booties to bed. Sierra Designs booties go on sale a couple times a year. Worth their weight in warmth...
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Fatpacking
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I thought this was a neat graphic...
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Ron.
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Posted on: Nov. 10 2012, 3:00 pm |
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My Downmat 7 LW has kept me warm down into the teens sleeping on top of 3 ft of snow.
R value of 5.9
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Bette
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Thanks again for the advice, I am assuming that the black side goes down and the brown side up? The hot water bottle sounds like a good idea, but since I am starting out plenty warm and don't get cold until the early morning hours I'm not sure that would be the solution. I wear really heavy wool socks, but down booties does sound like a good option, plus I believe they make them so you could wear them as camp shoes. Also just wondering, would I be better off (weight wise and cost) if I would be better off purchasing the Exped or getting a CCF pad just to use when it gets very cold?
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rayestrella
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Posted on: Nov. 13 2012, 12:10 pm |
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The logo goes up, so yes, brown side up. That puts the insulation against your body.
http://cascadedesigns.com/therm-a....product
Cost-wise you could add that on top of what you have.
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Walkinman
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Hey Bette
I've used my Exped Down 7 UL camping on glaciers for a week or so, and slept just fine sleeping on the ice and/or snow. They're an amazing little pad. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them for anyone.
Cheers
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