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Hey people,

I recently moved to Wyoming this fall and while hiking and reading hiker safety it seems like so many people make sure to have bear mace. I grew up in the White Mountains of New Hampshire and while bears are present, in seems like a crazy idea to carry around bear mace. Just simply not a natural weapon of protection to carry into the woods.

What im wondering is do the real hikers carry bear mace? or is it just because the amount of what i would say "fake" hikers that come to the region. And when i say "fake" im talking about the people that we all see on the trails that make a hike into a much bigger ordeal then it really is.  

And im not trying to sound like a dick to the many people that i have seen carrying mace, im just looking for some answers

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Bear spray is quite advisable in grizzly country.  It is a very effective defense when used properly.  Several forum members have put it to successful use, and quite a few more carry it where appropriate.
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I carry it anytime out hiking where the possiblity of Black or Grizzley bears are...and thats a lot of places in Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, Idaho, Nevada.  I've lived and backpacked out here for 30years.  I even have it nearby in when car camping at campgrounds.

Oh, its Bear Deterent or repellent......
I use Guard Alaska or UDAP, carry 9oz can minimun, everyone in your hiking group.  If you don't have it, you will wish you did.......out here carrying it is not 'sissy'
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New Hampshire black bears or Sierra black bears for that matter are nothing remotely like Rocky Mountain Grizzly in terms of threat. Bear spray is a proven, effective deterrent.

Grizzly country rangers routinely carry bear spray. Ask one of them if they're "real".

For a more data driven approach try
Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance (1985) by Stephen Herrero.

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http://www.bear.org/website/bear-pages/pepper-spray.html
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The "fake" hiker carry this .

Bear spray for me, though.


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I don't bother, just never felt the need.
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Just simply not a natural weapon of protection to carry into the woods.

Bear spray isn't a "weapon", but putting terminology aside, what "natural" means of protection do you suggest as an alternative?

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Hey people,

I recently moved to Wyoming this fall and while hiking and reading hiker safety it seems like so many people make sure to have bear mace. I grew up in the White Mountains of New Hampshire and while bears are present, in seems like a crazy idea to carry around bear mace. Just simply not a natural weapon of protection to carry into the woods.

What im wondering is do the real hikers carry bear mace? or is it just because the amount of what i would say "fake" hikers that come to the region. And when i say "fake" im talking about the people that we all see on the trails that make a hike into a much bigger ordeal then it really is.  

And im not trying to sound like a dick to the many people that i have seen carrying mace, im just looking for some answers

Thanks

Funny stuff right there.

You want to be ridiculous, use "bear bells." You'll immediately stand out as a "fake" hiker :D

HE** YES. I know of no one that doesn't pack Bear Spray... have an encounter and you'll change your tune.


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Do maces work on Grizzlies?

I carry bear spray when I'm up there.


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I thought mace was usually used in baking or other sweet dishes, not roasting savory meats like bear.  :D

In all seriouseness, I see no reason not to carry it if you're going to be in bear country.


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I always carry mine.
We have a LOT of bear in my area, so it's a no brainer.
In my experiences, I sleep better knowing that if a bear (when?) shows up at my tent I can fend him off without harming the critter, except for an uncomfortable night.
It's humane, and generally advised. It adds some weight, but that's just more reason to go buy some more lighter gear right ;)
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I don't live in a heavily populated bear territory but I do bring it when I hike in areas with cougar, elk, and the like.

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I live and hike in an area populated with all manner of critters, grizzly bears included.   I carry Counter Assault bear spray.

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Never had to use it but I always carry it in bear country.

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What's a "fake hiker"? I know when I hit the backcountry, I make it a big deal because I don't get to do it as much as I want. And yes, I carry bear spray.
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What's a "fake hiker"?

People that think it is called bear mace... ;-)

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Why griz don't carry bear spray.

Ah, my eyes, damn not having opposable thumbs...


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Living in the Deep South, I don't see many bears.  I've been considering getting some anyway for other varmints.  I'd guess it would be equally effective on rabid racoons, mad dogs, and drunk rednecks.  Easier to possess in state parks and campgrounds, too.

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It's also good on chicken or eggs (scrambled)

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Living in the Deep South, I don't see many bears.  I've been considering getting some anyway for other varmints.  I'd guess it would be equally effective on rabid racoons, mad dogs, and drunk rednecks.  Easier to possess in state parks and campgrounds, too.

I see bears from time to time, but I'm in the back country most every weekend....never seen an aggressive bear myself as they don't stick around very long and run off pretty quick.  That happens because Bubba and the boys hunt them.

Still, black bears have been known to attack on rare occasions.

It's the 2 legged predators that concerns me.


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I recently moved to MD from NJ.  Northern NJ is LOADED with bears.  There are many trails in NJ including a really nice stretch of the AT.  Many loops that go through NY and PA. You could hike for weeks in the area. I have always seen bears, walked with them, talked to them and just enjoyed them from a safe distance, but I always carried a can of bear spray.  There have been several instances of bears raiding shelters on the AT or harassing day hikers by the Water Gap.  There are too many irresponsible hikers and strollers out there who don't have any respect for the wild.  35 years ago, when I would camp, fish and hunt in the area,  I never saw a bear nor any sign.  I would camp during trout season for several days at a time.  The most I've seen in one day, 2006, was seven.  That's a lot of bear.

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Oh, its Bear Deterent or repellent......

Just as with insect repellent, you spray yourself down before entering bear country.

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Bear spray doesn't always work; sometimes it's nice to have some firepower.  Just ask the three hunters who had to shoot a Grizzly in Teton national Park less than two weeks ago.  The bear was sprayed and kept on coming.

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Bear spray doesn't always work; sometimes it's nice to have some firepower.  Just ask the three hunters who had to shoot a Grizzly in Teton national Park less than two weeks ago.  The bear was sprayed and kept on coming.

I would love to see a link to this story.

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Bear spray doesn't always work; sometimes it's nice to have some firepower.  Just ask the three hunters who had to shoot a Grizzly in Teton national Park less than two weeks ago.  The bear was sprayed and kept on coming.

Yeah, $hit happens, but carrying enough fire power to deter a grizzly bear is a HUGE weight penalty and bear spray is a more proven and reliable deterrent for most times, especially when you're not carrying a shotgun, in Alaska, for instance.  
Encounters are rare, especially if you are knowledgeable.  I don't want bears to pay the price for my ignorance.
YMMV
FWIW I have had an encounter with a grizzly bear and bear spray was used successfully.  Except for some collateral damage to me (from the spray) it was a good outcome....for us and the bear.


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There's mention they are required to carry bear spray in the park news release, no mention of it being used before the hunters opened fire.

http://www.nps.gov/grte/parknews/news-release-12-88.htm
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There's mention they are required to carry bear spray in the park news release, no mention of it being used before the hunters opened fire.

http://www.nps.gov/grte/parknews/news-release-12-88.htm

I don't understand why the National Park Service would leave out such a pertinent fact.  The hunting party was a father and his two sons.  The father sprayed the bear twice, once at 20 feet and once at 10 feet.  His sons opened up with their rifles at around 8 feet.  They didn't want to shoot the bear, but felt it was absolutely necessary.  Accounts of nearby witnesses indicated that they appeared traumatized after the indident.

Perhaps the NPS failed to mention the fact that bear spray was deployed because it didn't work.  That doesn't mesh well with their talking points.

The Casper Star Tribune (www.trib.com) had good local coverage of the shooting.


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Horse****. I use one because it's not nearly as ridiculous and stupid as singing or talking loudly as you hike.

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You want to be ridiculous, use "bear bells." You'll immediately stand out as a "fake" hiker :D

Horse****. I use one because it's not nearly as ridiculous and stupid as singing or talking loudly as you hike.

Bears have a notorious sense of smell.  How about flatulence?  I can think of many things I could eat that would produce that.
Would they be repelled or attracted?
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Black bear country - I don't carry bear spray
Grizzly bear Country - I do carry bear spray

(I carry pepper spray, I haven't heard of mace being used on bears)
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