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davela 
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Posted on: Dec. 04 2012, 9:33 pm |
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looking for a good lightweight winter stove.Are alcohol or esbit stoves functional in winter at 8000ft and above?
How about Whitebox stoves.
thanx
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Tigger
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Posted on: Dec. 04 2012, 10:38 pm |
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This last winter, I was at 8,000 feet in single digits using a Whitebox stove on the slopes of the South Sister in the Three Sisters Wilderness. Worked just fine. Just remember that you need to put it on something so it doesn't sink down into the snow...
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davela
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Posted on: Dec. 04 2012, 11:01 pm |
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thx.
8k is minimum...im usually camping at 9-11k ft.Still ok at that elevation?
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Posted on: Dec. 04 2012, 11:02 pm |
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What is the use? Just boiling water for a meal? Yes I have done it many times. Backpacking and melting snow for water, not really.
For long trips I take either a MSR XGK (3 generations), a Coleman Xpert Xtreme (no longer made) or a MSR Reactor w/2.5 L pot.
For quick overnighters that I can carry water or get access to liquid I take the Trail Designs Keg F.
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews....strella
Since I wrote that review I had the guys make me a new cone out of titanium as the original aluminum cone got beat up. It is hard to baby stuff in winter, I think it is just $20.00 more for it in Ti. We finally got our freeze back so I plan to head out tomorrow and will be taking the Keg as we have no snow now. (Stupid thaw...)
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Tigger
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Posted on: Dec. 04 2012, 11:13 pm |
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I have cooked up to 10k with mine but not in winter. I would assume it would be fine...but that would be just an assumption.
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Posted on: Dec. 05 2012, 12:46 am |
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But as mentioned I wouldn't want to try and melt snow for drinking ( necessary as winter progresses and flowing streams freeze up and and anyway get too dangerous to mess with as the snowpack puts them further and further out of reach way down in some hole...) with anything other than a pumped liquid fuel stove, the XGK family or equivalent. Snow melting takes a lot of btus and a lot of heat output is what the pumped stoves do very well.
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davela
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Posted on: Dec. 05 2012, 1:44 am |
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So my canister stove is no good for melting snow?
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Dennis Waite
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Posted on: Dec. 05 2012, 6:50 am |
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Sure, canisters will melt snow, but it isn't cost effective, and given the practical range of temperatures where a canister functions at the most efficiently, you are much better off with a white gas stove. For quick and short trips, the canister will be fine. For longer, more remote trips stick with the white gas. The weight difference will become minimal when you consider the weight of extra canisters needed for melting snow. My rule of thumb for white gas is approximately 1/3 liter per day per person for cooking and snow melting when depending 100% on snow for drinking water. Others may have different results.
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Posted on: Dec. 05 2012, 1:32 pm |
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The good old MSR Whisperlite is my go to for in the winter.
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Posted on: Dec. 05 2012, 1:54 pm |
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When doing 'actual' cooking and melting snow we use our trusty old MSR Dragonfly. It's a workhorse and we like to eat well in the winter. I can cook great (no false modesty here) meals and bake bread, cinnamon rolls, etc.
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Dennis Waite
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Posted on: Dec. 05 2012, 4:25 pm |
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MSR Dragonfly is a great stove, as is the Primus Omni-fuel. At one time the Optimus Nova was a great stove but since their sale to Katadyn they've become so-so performers. These stoves have great flame control from simmer to full blast.
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Posted on: Dec. 05 2012, 5:40 pm |
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i use the optimus nova with white gas.
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