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I currently have a MSR fling two person single wall tent and I always seem to be cold.  I know heat should be more toward my sleeping bag but wondering how much the tent plays a roll, plus I can only afford to upgrade one or two major items per year.  How much difference in heat retention is there between single and double wall tents?  I am guessing that a single person tent would heat up significantly more than my spacious fling.  

I am looking for a good UL 1 person tent.  Any thoughts between REI chrysalis and Big Agnes fly creek UL1?  Or other UL1 tents?  I know there is a large weight difference and $ difference.  I would like to get something around 150-200$ range.  I am constantly scanning the REI clearence/outlet.
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PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 19 2013, 9:57 pm Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

A double wall tent isn't really going to hold any real amount of heat or any tent for that matter. It will stop the wind and air circulation a good deal, which will make the tent feel much warmer. I have noticed that silicone treated tents seem to be a little warmer, but that could be in my head. Could just be that they block more wind.

On a side note, I'm selling a practically new Big Agnes Seedhouse for 200 if you're interested. PM me for details.
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What kind of sleep pad are you using? If you're always cold, it sounds like a sleeping bag or pad issue, not a tent problem.
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Tent is to keep the breeze and the rain off. People who button down tight and fail to stake it out for ventilation are going to then complain about condensation...

What pad and bag are you using, and what temps are you using them in?


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Haven't actually used one, but on paper, the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL1 seems hard to beat.
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I wouldn't take either - I don't like end entry tents.

LightHeart Gear tents, Tarptents, or just a tarp for me.

There is no difference in inside temps between single and double wall.


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Six Moon Designs. They have a couple of nice lightweight 1P options, and the price is right.

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When your sleeping bag is doing it's job your tent doesn't heat up much at all: it's all trapped by the sleeping bag's insulation, as it should be.

For "always cold" I'd look at your pad first, then your sleeping bag. Then your site selection.
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I am using a thermarest prolite Z sleeping pad.  The sleeping bag I usually use is a Kelty Light Year 3D 45 bag.  I know this bag is not good.  My last trip was Salt Creek Canyon in Canyonlands N.P.  Two of the nights out there my water bladder partially froze so I guessing around 25-30 degrees on those nights.  I am a cold sleeper but I am also wondering if perhaps I wear to much clothes while in bag so core is warm but extremities cold because I don't release much heat into bag?

I do feel that a tent will retain a modicum of heat because there is condensation.  Warm humid air contacting the cool tent material.  I don't expect the tent to keep me warm but I have read that the smaller double wall tents hold some heat.  I work in a lab so next time I will have to do a scientific study on temps in and out of tent :)
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The flycreekUL1 is a decent tent. It is light, 2 1/2 pounds or less. It sets up easily and has enough room to sleep in.
Negative:  Rain will come in if you need to exit the tent in a storm because of poor door/vestibule design.
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I am using a thermarest prolite Z sleeping pad.  The sleeping bag I usually use is a Kelty Light Year 3D 45 bag.  I know this bag is not good.  My last trip was Salt Creek Canyon in Canyonlands N.P.  Two of the nights out there my water bladder partially froze so I guessing around 25-30 degrees on those nights.  I am a cold sleeper but I am also wondering if perhaps I wear to much clothes while in bag so core is warm but extremities cold because I don't release much heat into bag?

I do feel that a tent will retain a modicum of heat because there is condensation.  Warm humid air contacting the cool tent material.  I don't expect the tent to keep me warm but I have read that the smaller double wall tents hold some heat.  I work in a lab so next time I will have to do a scientific study on temps in and out of tent :)

Wearing too much is not your problem. No such thing unless you're sweating because of it. Based upon your sleeping bag, I'd definitely follow the advice given above in regards to pad, then bag, then site.


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I am using a thermarest prolite Z sleeping pad.  The sleeping bag I usually use is a Kelty Light Year 3D 45 bag.  I know this bag is not good.  My last trip was Salt Creek Canyon in Canyonlands N.P.  Two of the nights out there my water bladder partially froze so I guessing around 25-30 degrees on those nights.  I am a cold sleeper but I am also wondering if perhaps I wear to much clothes while in bag so core is warm but extremities cold because I don't release much heat into bag?


Based on what you're telling us, I'd suggest that you stop focusing on the tent and start focusing on your sleeping bag. If you're using a bag that rated to 45-degree during a night when your water is freezing, then you're going to be cold. Also, if you're camping on cold rock, you may need to bring a second z-rest, at least for your torso.

Also, you don't need to work in a lab to test out this situation. Go buy three good thermometers. Place one outside, one inside your tent, and the last one in your sleeping bag. Check all the temps at 3am.
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I concur with others. Get a new bag. Perhaps I'm projecting my own tendencies, but it sounds as though you might just want a new tent because they are a sexier and more fun item. A new tent might make a tiny, negligible difference, but a new sleeping bag or quilt will likely go MUCH further in solving your problem as stated. Either way, good luck hunting!
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Also, if money is an issue, you could consider a Kelty cosmic down 20.  You can often get them for $80 or so on sale. They are fairly light, fairly compact, and seem to get good reviews. Or, if you prefer synthetic, I love my Mtn Hardwear Lamina 35 which I got on sale for about $120. I've slept very comfortably in it down to 20 degrees, though I was fully dressed in temps that low.
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Water only freezes that way when it's well below 32F.

Better bag, better pad - that zlite has an R value of less than 2... you would be better served by adding another pad to it, or getting a 3 season pad with an R value of at least 2.5 - 3. And a much warmer bag. A good 20F bag.


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I totally agree with y'all that 80% of it is new gear fever :)  Although I love the space of my tent (MSR fling) for the weight.  I just bought a Big Agnes Lost Ranger 15 Degree Down sleeping Bag.  It's slightly heavier than I wanted but the price was right.  Thanks for all the help!
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When your feet get cold, put on a hat. When your hands get cold put on mittens.
Same holds true for sleeping. As I got old I went to a 0* bag hat and mittens.
Pad insulation is also paramount.


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