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Anyone try the Snow Leapard from Fat Cat?  

I'm fairly attached to my GSI mug and it looks like an attractive solution with the stove, windscreen and everything able to fit inside for easy packing.


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I've got the Bobcat also from Flat Cat Gear. Very happy with the Bobcat, but I haven't tried the Snow Leopard. Jon, the owner of Flat Cat, is very knowledgeable.

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I bought one, but either the windscreen with the tabs is not up to the task, or I did something that I wasn't supposed to do, but all the tabs on one side simply burned off. I wasn't all that pleased. I've made stoves myself that work more effectively. But, then again, perhaps I did something "not kosher" that caused my problems.
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I bought one, but either the windscreen with the tabs is not up to the task, or I did something that I wasn't supposed to do, but all the tabs on one side simply burned off. I wasn't all that pleased. I've made stoves myself that work more effectively. But, then again, perhaps I did something "not kosher" that caused my problems.

Wow.  What happened?

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I don't know. I used the windscreen and the pot it was designed to fit, as well as the stove. After the first boil, the little tabs at the top of the windscreen were so fragile that they simply fell off along about 1/4 of the circumference.

To say the least, I was surprised. It was only a backyard test (which I always do), so there were no serious consequences, other than the loss of my money. I tend not to return things, but this wasn't something I could fix. Since I found the flame pattern to be a bit wide for the pot I was using anyway, I just tossed it into the "live and learn" bin.
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Wow, what a trip.  What kind of fuel did you use?

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I hear bending them back and forth too much is an issue.   With aluminum it is fatigue thing.   You wouldn't have that issue with titanium but it would be more expensive product.

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Wow, what a trip.  What kind of fuel did you use?

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I was using denatured alcohol. I believe it was the same brand I always use: SLX - get it at Lowes or Home Depot. I found some Sunnyside at an Ace last year some time, but I think I put it on a shelf and it's still there. It's supposed to be less "toxic", but I don't know. I have never tried Heet.

Like I say: I was completely surprised, though I've done enough experimentation with aluminum can stoves that I absolutely know that aluminum will melt, burn and fold up like paper with enough heat, esp. at the thicknesses used in pop cans. I tried to execute some of the designs I've seen on Japanese stove websites in Coke cans, but the Japanese were apparently using steel cans (ever drink Japanese beer? Steel cans...), and that is a huge difference.
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Wow, well, that's unusual behavior for an alcohol set up.  It shouldn't burn the aluminum like that.  Did alcohol spill?

Have you tried talking to Jon Fong who runs Flat Cat?

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I seem to be having troubles as this is my first time posting on this forum.  For any issue with FLAT CAT GEAR, contact me directly so that I can help resolve the problem.  Jon@flatcatgear.com.  If we can't fix the problem, we will gladly refund you the amount of your purchase.  Best regards - Jon
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Thanks for posting Jon. Welcome to the forums. What's your opinion on bacon?

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Thanks for posting Jon. Welcome to the forums. What's your opinion on bacon?

Bacon =  Ummmm .. good.


I'm more interested in baking... not bacon though.


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I'm more interested in baking... not bacon though.

Jon's systems work really well for baking.

Triple berry muffin cooked with a Bobcat system:


Mmm, good.


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I'm more interested in baking... not bacon though.

Jon's systems work really well for baking.

Triple berry muffin cooked with a Bobcat system:


HJ

Jim,

Did you use his solid fuel stove to Esbit those muffins?    I'm trying to figure out all the pieces I'd need to do this with my GSI Haulite.  

I think.... and maybe Jon can jump in here and correct me if I'm wrong:

Snow Leopard Jr.   (fits GSI mug)
Epic. Ti. Stove for Esbit
Aluminum inner cup for baking


Can you give us weights on all these pieces of the puzzle or correct me Jon?

THXS!


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Yes, I used the Epicurean titanium stove.  It's a great stove for simmering or baking with ESBIT type fuel.

The weights should all be on the Flat Cat Gear site (http://flatcatgear.com).

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Here is a link comparing steam to dry baking using the Snow Leopard System http://youtu.be/INgLXQtzWJg).  You are correct in that I use an Epicurean Stove with the baking pan, with the pan directly on the pot.  Best regards - Jon
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I think I owe an apology to Jon and Flat Cat Gear for my previous posts, but not because the incident did not happen, but because I posted it without really knowing what the specific circumstances were. Without additional information about the stove, the specific Flat Cat stove and its use in that instance, it's impossible to say what "went wrong". Normally, I'd document such things - even taking pictures - but I did not in this instance.

I had not intended to sound "snarky", but, reading it now, I believe it comes off that way. My own stoves perform well, but they also require very specific conditions for operation, something I'm fully aware of because I made them and had to "tune" those conditions until they performed as well as I wanted.

At this point, about all we can assume is "operator error", esp. if no one else has ever had this particular situation occur. Clearly, Jon of Flat Cat Gear is a responsible vendor, and he's already stated that he would accept responsibility to the extent of a refund.

BTW, I'm not interested in a refund. If anything, I'd perhaps be interested in purchasing a replacement windscreen. I haven't spent all that much time on Jon's website, but I can't find a place there where I can make that kind of purchase - of "parts", that is. For whatever reason, I find the website difficult to navigate - but, again,  I'm sure that's just me.

As I recall, I'd ordered three or four stoves at the same time, and this was just one of those I was "yard testing". Perhaps I overfilled the stove or spilled some alcohol. I truly do not remember. I can't even find the stove at this point, and I've been otherwise occupied for the last few days, or I'd have pulled it out and "retested".

The kit I ordered was, in fact, a "Snow Leopard" - I found the order - one designed, as I understand it, for taller, thinner pots. In this particular instance, I believe I used one of my Evernew  pots, the 750ml, as the pot (it fit, if I recall correctly).

If I find the stove and get a chance to "retest", I'll post the results.
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Here is a link comparing steam to dry baking using the Snow Leopard System http://youtu.be/INgLXQtzWJg).  You are correct in that I use an Epicurean Stove with the baking pan, with the pan directly on the pot.  Best regards - Jon

Thanks Jon.... I think you will see some of my money before my next hiking trip.    The smaller mugs don't save much weight but I use the GSI Haulite as my coffee mug too.

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BTW, I'm not interested in a refund. If anything, I'd perhaps be interested in purchasing a replacement windscreen.


Gabby, please email me your order information (jon@flatcatgear.com).  Also, if you can send me pictures of your setup and your windscreen, it would help out a lot.  Getting these pieces of the puzzle will help me to figure out what happened and how to avoid this problem in the future.

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I think.... and maybe Jon can jump in here and correct me if I'm wrong:

Snow Leopard Jr.   (fits GSI mug)
Epic. Ti. Stove for Esbit
Aluminum inner cup for baking


Can you give us weights on all these pieces of the puzzle or correct me Jon?

THXS!

The Snow Leopard System weighs less than 2.15 oz. / 61 grams

The Epicurean Titanium stove weighs < 19 grams
The Epicurean Titanium UL15 weighs 7 grams
The baking pan weighs 2.05 oz. / 58 grams (assuming that the trimmed pan will fit inside your GSI Minimalist WITH the windscreen in place.

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