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Goal/strategy: sell zero down bag that is getting too little use and get a 20F to complement existing 35F. Sound good?

This is for kayak camping, so it can be a bit larger packed size than backpacking, and weight is not crucial. Which of these two bags is better: Kelty Coromell 20 semi-rectangular or LL Bean 20 rectangular?

I'm not too concerned about EN rating for LL Bean---I own two of their sleeping bags and trust the ratings. Semi-rect or rectangular doesn't matter.

***Price does matter: the Bean is $70 more. I guess that might be due to the better down quality, but the specs don't show a significant difference between the two bags that would justify the price difference. What do you think?

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KELTY COROMELL SEMI-RECTANGUlAR 20 $160
550 down
Fill wt 25 oz
Total weight: 3 lbs 1 oz.
Width 33"
Stuf size 8 x 14


LL BEAN RECTANGULAR 20:  $229
650 down
Fill wt 26 oz
Total weight 2lbs 15 oz
Width 34"
Stuff size 8 x 15
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The L.L.Bean has Downtek (water resistance added) which is nice.
If you're in damp or rainy terrain I'd go with that.
Otherwise, save the cash and upgrade something else with it :)
Both have excellent quality and warranties.
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I've never gotten a down bag wet. Is Downtek worth the extra $70? The LL Bean warranty is ironclad.
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If you're not in super humid conditions and keep your bag away from rain (pack cover, waterproof sack, etc), then you have nothing to worry about.
Here in Tennessee I often sleep right on the rivers and often end up with condensation littering the tent, or even misty drafts coming through the tent. It makes sense here. But most places, no worries.
You can probably save the 70 bucks and be quite happy with that.
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Thanks Treeline. In hot humid weather I don't use any sleeping bag. How effective is Downtek?
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All other things equal, I'm going to side with the 650 fill down. Higher quality down equals, well, higher quality down...

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26 oz of 650 fill power has 23% more loft than 25 oz of 550 fill power, so I would go with the LL Bean since it will be warmer, with the added bonus of down-tek.
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I've not tested downtek myself, but according to this,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDx14xueEJA
Regular down does really well with water actually.
I think it's mostly marketing fluff.
If you watch the video, both do really well.
I wouldn't let it be a decision maker for you.
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26 oz of 650 fill power has 23% more loft than 25 oz of 550 fill power, so I would go with the LL Bean since it will be warmer, with the added bonus of down-tek.

The Bean bag is also larger than the Kelty, so the 26 oz of down in the Bean has to fill a larger volume than the 25 oz in the Kelty.

Both bags have the same 20-degree rating. I guess that means that Kelty's 25 oz. of 550 in a smaller bag is supposed to be as warm as Bean's 26 oz. of 650 down in a larger bag. Add to that the need for the body to warm up the additional space in the Bean, and maybe the two bags do have the same warmth?
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I'm still going with 650 down for quality alone. If you've ever smelled cheap down, you know what I'm talking about. It smells off, even when dry and if you get it damp, it's worse.

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Just curious how one down can be different in a way that makes it smell bad?
Not familiar with a foul smell with down. Perhaps how it's washed (or not?).
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From what I know, you are right on the money. It has to do with how it's washed and the oils left in the feathers from poorly washed down.

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Just curious how one down can be different in a way that makes it smell bad?
Not familiar with a foul smell with down. Perhaps how it's washed (or not?).

Feathers are IMO what does it. The lower quality down has more feathers in it. Feathers smell bad when wet. (Down isn't feathers. It's what waterfowl have under their feathers.)

I wash my down backpacking quilts (850+ fp) once a year, but use them 2 - 8 nights per month. Most could get away with washing down gear maybe once every few years....


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