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Check out this blog post from NEMO:

http://www.nemoequipment.com/uncategorized/2013/05/4395/

I think that is a pretty good idea and I hope that the entire industry participates as it does a decent job of showing room/space much better than the old "xx cu ft floor space".

I think I will map my new TT SS2 once the snow goes away.


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That's a big improvement. I've long discussed interior volume and it's distribution as being the critical element over and above square footage of the floor.
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Very clever. It's the little (big) things that really make a difference when you're choosing a tent, especially if you're buying online.
Well done.
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Very cool

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Nice to have a ready tool for making the right trade offs.

I have a Sierra Designs Origami 2 UL penta-tipi that when you muck about with the center-hiking pole and have to batten down in bad weather, from 120cm to 100cm, it can get a bit clostrophic it the sleeping area head. I think it would make an interesting topo. No matter though, i would have bought, and now kept it, anyways.


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That's all nice and everything. Another marketing ploy, if you ask me. Nemo is expensive anyway.

When it comes down to it, you can try and show why a tent is the better, and if it passes muster, it gets bought. I bought my Alps Mountaineering Zenith 2 for a bunch of reasons; Price, weight, features, color, design. Never saw a topo of it. I know my sitting and laying 'footprint,' and that of my gear.

Perhaps if it weren't some 2D, androgynous outline of a humanoid, I might buy in.

In the end, I'd rather see videos, read reviews, rent, borrow, ask you knuckleheads, whatever else, to make determinations about my gear. Surely, seeing a good deal, I sometimes hit the 'Purchase' button on blind luck. And as luck goes, sometimes it works. If this were an endeavor by an independent organization, in the vein of establishing temp ratings for bags, it would seem a lot less like a novelty and more like a tool backpackers would find useful.


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That is an outstanding idea. So simple but has never been used. All tent suppliers should use this. Another great way to look at tents. This along with all the other means to evaluate tents, would certainly give the buyer a good look at the product.
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I always got a kick out of how they measured floor space by measuring it before it is sewn to the tent. Thus  you lose floor space due to it now  being part of the bathtub sides and being folded over for the seams.
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Great idea.  I think tarptent does some 3D stuff with their tents. Some actually overlay several models at once, which would be great if REI etc. did this across brands.

 Black Diamond used to show "useable" space, which would be the same as their sleeping space.    I think they gave it up.   Folks did not understand it and it made their tents look smaller than the competition, but these diagrams would be very clear and show more info.  BD's info would have been clearer too, if they had shown the tents footprint and useable space in one place , if not the same diagram.  I found out that some of their numbers were "optimistic" on the LightHouse.  Surprised since all their weights etc. on the BetaLight were so accurate.


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I think it would be much more effective to have real-life photos and videos of tents in use than a mechanical drawing. Manufacturers don't seem to want to take the time to set up their tents and take photos of them with people inside and next to them. That's too bad; they might be missing sales. I might buy a tent without seeing it in person if I had real-life photos and videos that help me see that shape and the useable space. Best tent salesman on the market is the corny Mr. Tent in Texas. His videos give a clear representation of tents.
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Yeah the trick will be for all the manufacturers to do it the same way (at the same points). I used to try to explain how a crossing pole on top makes such a huge difference in space between say the BA Jack Rabbit and the Seedhouse which share a common pole design. The Seedhouse and Fly Creek have a very narrow area at the high point making it quite uncomfortable for two people. The topo would show how the Jack Rabbit has enough room to actually let two sit in there.

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I always got a kick out of how they measured floor space by measuring it before it is sewn to the tent. Thus  you lose floor space due to it now  being part of the bathtub sides and being folded over for the seams.

I think you are missing the point.  It's about space above the floor dimensions.

I don't know of any tent manufacturer that lists dimensions based on pre-sewn bathtub floor fabric dimensions, but maybe you do.


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Well he is ripping Henry who honestly gives the measurements of his floors both ways I believe. Then Franco enthusiastically shares the max width and others focus on it. (If I am wrong please share who does this.)

Now there are some big boy makers that use the measurements of the inside and top of the fly, not the inner for their measurements, saying that that is the "protected" space. I totally disagree with that and expose (and gently ridicule) it anytime I review one.

On the whole the industry is much better now than they were say in 2005. The more informed the buyer, through outlets like this and other review sites and informed/experience-driven blogs, the more manufacturers want to do it right.


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Well he is ripping Henry who honestly gives the measurements of his floors both ways I believe.

And I think it's fair to give both for at least some of his tents, since you can actually pitch them that wide if you want.
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