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I just finished a 4 day 3 night backpacking trip in my backyard (Glacier National Park) and decided to poll the BP community on the ideal camp shoe.  I hike in with LL Bean Cresta boots which I love.  The dilemma is once we arrive at camp.  I love to fish on BP trips so this adds another element.  I use Solomon Tech-Amphibians now, but they dry slow, are kind of heavy, and the mesh allows too many rocks/sand/gravel in which is impossible to get out without removal.  Here is what I want in a camp shoe
-light
-quick dry
-drains water
-decent support (we ford streams allot in MT with pack on)
-filters out small rocks
-can be worn with socks (no-flip flops)
-decent wet rock grip for fishing lakes/streams
-toe-protection
-easy on/off

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you're probably going to have some compromises one way or the other.  hard to tick all those categories with one shoe.

for light/cheap, flip flops and crocs.  crocs do a better job meeting some of your needs, but they don't grip terribly well on wet rocks and don't offer a whole lot of support.  the holes tend to let little stones in.

chacos aren't lightweight, rocks can enter (and exit) pretty freely, and the only toe protection is the protruding sole in front.  but they fit your other needs.

you could consider some of the fivefinger shoes.  the ones with more mesh dry pretty quickly, and they cover your toes, and can be worn with socks (socks with toes).  not quite so easy to take on and off, and not terribly supportive, though your legs do get used to them.

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Thanks for the suggestion. I'm also considering the new Keen Clearwater CNX. It looks to meet all criterion except filtering rocks and sand. Anyone have an opinion on these?
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i'm not familiar with that Keen.  i have a pair of Keen Hydro Guides.  keen hydro guide

only pair of keen water shoes i like.  excellent drainage.  silt and rocks can get in, and they aren't super light.  very comfortable, sized big enough to accommodate neoprene booties if needed.  i don't tend to bring them hiking because i prefer something lighter weight.
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I love my Chacos for all those reasons...well, except toe protection, but I've surprisingly never broken any using them.

My lab manager has the Clearwater CNX and loves 'em.

I wonder if xc racing flats wouldn't fit your bill. Mine dry in an hour or two out in the sun. http://www.brooksrunning.com/Brooks-....pd.html
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This:

http://www.backcountry.com/chaco-tedinho-pro-water-boot-mens

Don't forget fit OP. First and foremost.
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Thanks for the suggestions. Keep em coming!  I may consider something from Inov8 too.  My wife has 3 pairs for different activities and swears by em.  Never used in water though.  Used for gym, trail running, and Spartan Racing.
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Used for gym, trail running, and Spartan Racing.

I hate to nitpick, but I don't think these guys wore Inov8 shoes all that often running around.



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None of those guys had a BMI near 30, either.  At least none of them in the picture.  Heavyweights may have been towards the back.  :)  

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Used for gym, trail running, and Spartan Racing.

I hate to nitpick, but I don't think these guys wore Inov8 shoes all that often running around.


So we should wear capes, masks, and Speedos?  Do the shields double as cookware?  Spears instead of sporks?

Sounds like a Pickle Gulch thing.  I'll bet spindle's behind this...
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seven dollah croc knockoffs from CVS. 8 oz for the pair. Never soaks up water/quick drying. They've lasted for years and double as creek crossing shoes for tamer waters. Any down bootie/Primaloft sock fits in 'em so they make good get-up-at-midnight shoes.

Superglue felt strips to the bottoms and they'll stick to slick rocks. They do let in small gravel, but that's a nitpick. You don't get quick draining without holes.


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I used to have a set of Teva River Runners.  Great support.  You can get rocks in them, but since they're open, you can just shake your foot and they fall out.

I suppose you could wear socks, but it would look dorky as hell.
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Sorry, I know it was a serious question, I just found the whole "Spartan Racing" thing humorous.

Honestly, as others noted I doubt you'll find a shoe that meets all those criteria simultaneously, which is why I didn't have a good answer for ya' in the first place.  You'll need to prioritize.  Light and easy on-off, but rugged with solid support?  There'll be a compromise.  Quick-drying but fully protected against rocks, etc?  Again, a compromise.

Anymore, I don't even bring a pair of camp shoes.  I used to, all the time.  But since my regular walking/hiking shoes are light and comfortable enough for me now, I don't even bother needing to change at the end of the day.  I tend to wear lightweight breathable shoes with relatively thin socks, so I cross water without bothering to change, and let them dry as I go.  It works for me and saves me the weight/bulk of another pair of shoes.

However, I've also been working on strengthening my ankles and feet over time, so even with a heavy load off-trail in rough terrain I get by with pretty light shoes.  It's a long process, and a lotta folks may not be comfortable doing that.  So as always, YMMV (your mileage may vary).  I don't have much to suggest beyond that.

Best of luck in your search,

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I fully realize that I am asking for something that doesn't likely exist due to my extensive requirements.  My goal is simply to find that one nearly perfect shoe that meets 90% of my needs.  I like the feedback and ideas.  I figure if we can put a dude on the moon, we can build the perfect camping/trekking/fishing shoe!

No offense taken on the Spartan comments.  I found it quite entertaining.
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I just bought a pair of these:

http://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/mens/amphibious/ultra-red.html

I ordered them from Amazon for $50.

It's my intention to use them to replace my Crocs for a camp shoe.

They are less bulky.
They weigh less. (Crocs = 12.48oz / Vivo = 7.72   Size 11)
And they can be cinched up for a tighter fit when fording streams.

So far I've only worn them around the house but I like them.
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These.  Used them for years in the smokies
http://www.rocsocfootwear.com/


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The Vivobarefoot and Rocsocs both look very good.  I found these Salzenger Aqua Shoes on eBay.  They are made out EVA and seem "croc like" but lighter at 7 oz per pair.  The bad news is they ship from Korea.  Thinking about trying a pair.

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These.  Used them for years in the smokies
http://www.rocsocfootwear.com/

hey, great find. are these as cheap as they cost or have they held up well? have you hiked in these or do you just use them for creek fording?

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These.  Used them for years in the smokies
http://www.rocsocfootwear.com/

hey, great find. are these as cheap as they cost or have they held up well? have you hiked in these or do you just use them for creek fording?

Yeah they are light and hold up  well.  I use them for creeks, around camp etc... Had the same pair for a few years.  They have new improved models that are even better for the trail.  More cushion grip, etc... They stay on better than crocks too. As you can see by my name, I need a bit more support for the trails, though.  BOOTS!  


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+1 Vivobarefoots. Meet pretty much all of your criteria, and are very light. I had used Crocs, but I was always worried they would slip off during stream crossings. The Vivobarefoots cinch up, and provide good footing. Just have to find them on sale!
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.. I love to fish on BP trips so this adds another element.  I use Solomon Tech-Amphibians now, but they dry slow, are kind of heavy, and the mesh allows too many rocks/sand/gravel in which is impossible to get out without removal.  Here is what I want in a camp shoe..

Even sandals will let pebbles in.  For stream crossings, I just use trail runners with a light gaiter ("dirty girls").  A waterproof gaiter will just trap rushing water and is only used for lots of snow (IMO).

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Superglue felt strips to the bottoms and they'll stick to slick rocks. They do let in small gravel, but that's a nitpick. You don't get quick draining without holes.

Or glue indoor-outdoor carpet to the bottoms. I used to do this with sneakers, back when I was a trout fisherperson.

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Don't know a thing about them, but I've been thinking of pulling the trigger to get some.  The sure seem like they'd work just fine.
http://www.sandsocks.net/


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Don't know a thing about them, but I've been thinking of pulling the trigger to get some.  The sure seem like they'd work just fine.
http://www.sandsocks.net/

Think I'll take up beach volleyball  :p

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Don't know a thing about them, but I've been thinking of pulling the trigger to get some.  The sure seem like they'd work just fine.
http://www.sandsocks.net/

Think I'll take up beach volleyball  :p

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croc knock offs. I found a pair with decent tread and you can always glue on some felt as mentioned above. Wear neoprene socks to help with the sand and gravel.
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croc knock offs. I found a pair with decent tread and you can always glue on some felt as mentioned above. Wear neoprene socks to help with the sand and gravel.

My concern with Croc's and Croc knock-offs is width and support.  I have narrow feet and think they would be too wide for me.  They also have failry large holes on the sides and an enclosed toe.  Seems like they would trap rocks inside when fording.  I do love and use NRS neoprene socks for fishing, but the extra bulk and weight is not acceptable to me for a serious backpack adventure.
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