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http://jhnewsandguide.com/article.php?art_id=9096

I'm pretty darn happy about this.


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This is not a big surprise, but it is extremely good news. I think those of us who have watched this news developing have cautiously expected it for months.

I think the Hoback River area is one of the most beautiful in the state and well-deserving of preservation. And I suspect that much of the money for that preservation is coming from outside the state and from people who value their own national legacy in this National Forest. That is commendable. The source is hardly important. Preservation is. The Hoback is a national treasure.

In the years-long process of securing this purchase, I do not recall Gov. Matt Mead's involvement. It is however interesting to see him quickly claim the limelight, once the deal is done. Maybe it is time for him to step aside and applaud the conservationists who were willing to put their money where their mouths were.

And I do not see real evidence in this that "Wyoming is growing up." While there are some folks in this state devoting hard work to see deals like this reached, I hardly think Wyoming can claim sole credit.

And to go beyond, now for the bad news: half the area will join the "Flex Zone" where for much of the year, wolves can be shot on sight with impunity. Maybe someday our governor, who did in fact orchestrate that peer-rejected plan, will get his head out of the Dark Ages that brought it about.

It would be nice to see him join the real conservationists — some of whom have done great things in protecting the Hobeck River area — and some of whom will be suing Mead himself for his Dark Ages approach to wildlife preservation in that area.


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Congratulations to our southern neighbor.  Hopefully, we'll take a lesson from it up here. Unfortunately, both states still have a long way to go.  Still, it is a step in the right direction. Nice to know that not everything is to be sacrificed on the scared alter of energy production.

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Two of the three groups involved from start to finish are Wyoming Groups and much of the money raised for this deal does in fact come from Wyoming residents and some snowbirds. So with all due respect if "growing up" was a poor choice of words "evolving" certainly wouldn't be.

With all due respect as important as it is the wolf is of course a separate issue so I'm not sure why you felt compelled to inject it Travis. Yet as to "impunity" it has essentially existed already since there's been no challenege of substance to the "Shoot, shovel, and shut up" culture. As much as I believe there is no ultimate control without a predator zone I do fault the Governor for snubbing his proverbial nose at the folks in Teton County that didn't want the flex-zone extending as far North as it does.

I do agree with your asessment of Governor Mead. He was elected as being quasi-moderate but has since shown to be all to willing to favor resource extraction interests over the environment.


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I bookmarked an article today  that suggested you could save a 1/4 acre for $36. Not a bad bargain for an acre forever.

"meh" on the Governor. Govenor Mead just had his head handed to him on the challenge to the Clinton Roadless last week. The SCOUSTUS let stand the appellate court affirmation of the Roadless Rule. The Bighorn National Forest just jumped up from 400k acres to 600k + acres in one day....not bad.

Conservation money in Wyoming among the non-profits currently runs about 50-50, in-state vs outside. So given our small population, that is not bad. From personal experiance, no one is going to get rich working for the them.

Wyoming groups, especially the Wyoming Outdoor Council lead much of the struggle for the Wyoming Range. And it is evolution, thank you Double Cabin.  :D

Pay day is Tuesday, and I am going to throw my 5% tithe in .


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. . . With all due respect as important as it is the wolf is of course a separate issue so I'm not sure why you felt compelled to inject it Travis. Yet as to "impunity" it has essentially existed already since there's been no challenege of substance to the "Shoot, shovel, and shut up" culture. As much as I believe there is no ultimate control without a predator zone I do fault the Governor for snubbing his proverbial nose at the folks in Teton County that didn't want the flex-zone extending as far North as it does.

I do agree with your asessment of Governor Mead. He was elected as being quasi-moderate but has since shown to be all to willing to favor resource extraction interests over the environment.

Wildlife is never a separate issue from land preservation. If we are not preserving ecosystems, what are we doing? And you have flip-flopped on the Predator Zone so many times, I don't know how you can take yourself seriously.


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Our own Governor Cuomo in NY is fighting for a permanent moratorium on fracking in the Catskills. It's looking good.

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*sigh, you guys argue too much...
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*sigh, you guys argue too much...

true....but this a great outcome after a very long fight for the Wyoming Range...just let them natter on.

BTW I am coming to Cody to pick a fight sorta, need to see you there in November..Plus there is the fight over the Shoshone..good stuff.


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*sigh, you guys argue too much...

true....but this a great outcome after a very long fight for the Wyoming Range...just let them natter on.

BTW I am coming to Cody to pick a fight sorta, need to see you there in November..Plus there is the fight over the Shoshone..good stuff.

Oh, we have no shortage of fights here. I've learned I have had to pick my battles.

Hopefully you will be here the latter half of Nov. cause I will be traveling for the first couple weeks. Wisconsin the first 2, Riverton the third week.
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