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Posted on: Oct. 28 2012, 11:57 pm |
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What I don't get about NY is that they completely shut down mass transit on the same day that they declared mandatory evacuation of some low-lying areas.
It's already pretty windy in South Jersey. We drove up from a friend's house in Holmdel at 7:00 pm and were getting blown around pretty good for the first 40 miles or so.
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 12:01 am |
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New Yorkers are notorious hand-wringers and whiners. BUT, if something goes seriously wrong for lack of action the public lynching in the local media will be voracious.
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 12:19 am |
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Grandparents beach bar was in Roxbury Far Rockaway, one of the Zone A areas ordered evacuated: makes sense, the peninsula goes under with just a few feet of surge and what with the full moon and the wind the bay and ocean will meet for sure. The trouble with waiting too long, and the MTA shutting down at 7 pm was announced this morning, is while bus service over the bridge is ok, the train across Broad Channell runs just above the water.... So getting out early is key anyway and everyone there should know it. Place has been routinely hit before.
Course the challenge with the system as a whole is its below ground and in places like The Battery the entrances will surely flood once Lower Manhattan gets washed over from the surge running in through the mouth of the harbor. I was down there a couple weekends ago and the normal water level at Ft. Clinton is maybe 8 ft from the level of the park, the same level as the subway entrances over by the Custom House.
Speaking of The Battery, hope Zelda the wild turkey is okay. 
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 12:46 am |
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Nice interior hope it doesn't flood.
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 7:01 am |
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I saw that DB Bloomberg was not even going to order evacuations yesterday morning. Fortunately, he changed his mind. With a storm surge of 6-11 feet expected, it blew my mind that he did not order evacuations. That would have been an awful blunder, with potentially catastrophic ramifications. Someone in his team must have given him some bad information initially. Thankfully they did evacuate. It the storm plays out as expected, NYC will be dealt a crippling blow, it will not be good.
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 7:06 am |
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I think the issue is going to be further inland with major flooding.
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 7:31 am |
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I'll be living that for the next few days....I doubt it will be as bad as TS Lee from last year, at least I hope not.
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 10:33 am |
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Hi...
Yes, here in the lower Catskills in NY there is predicted one to three inches of rain (so far) between this pee em and tomorrow pee em. If so, many emergency evacuations will be necessary.
Also winds from 30 to 40, with sustained gusts of 50 to 70.
People in these areas should fill their bathtub(s) with water for availability during power outages (even if on city water). Also fill freezers and freezer compartments with water bottles to freeze to help maintain freezing temps until electric is restored.
Some inland towns will be seriously flooded out, plus those towns on the banks of the Delaware River.
All schools are closed today in this and adjoining counties.
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 11:00 am |
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Let me preface by first stating: We don't get Hurricanes out in my neck of the woods.
Question: How does 1 to 3 inches of rain with gusts reaching 50 to 70 mph equal evacuation? We get that for days on end occasionally and it's really not that big of a deal around here. I'm assuming the rising tide or something else comes into play...no?
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In typical NJ fashion.
I heard on the radio earlier that the Atlantic County emergency response center is now inaccessible due to all road leading to it are flooded.
Sounds like a bit of forethought was missing on that one
I'm just outside Philly. So far we have just been getting rain and not much wind yet. About an 1.5 inches of rain on my rain gauge so far since yesterday late afternoon
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 11:16 am |
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(BradMT @ Oct. 29 2012, 12:01 am)
QUOTE New Yorkers are notorious hand-wringers and whiners. BUT, if something goes seriously wrong for lack of action the public lynching in the local media will be voracious.
I have to say, I find that comment profoundly offensive, I really do. Having watched this City recover from multiple terrorist attacks, massive storms, financial collapses and countless other things, big and small, on a daily basis for two decades that I have lived here, I can say with some confidence that New Yorkers are the most resilient, tough, and kind-hearted people on the planet. Whiners? What an absurd statement. Brad, I know you didn't intend to offend, but my guess is you've never really spent much time in NYC.
It always amazes me, when I travel, how quick people are to sling insults at New York City (I mean, to me, when they learn that's where I'm from). I don't recall hearing New Yorkers make insulting comments like that to others about their cities.
Anyway, we're pretty close to Long Island Sound where we now live, and we get a fair amount of flooding in these storms. Everyone around me is prepared, and the neighbors gathered last night to touch base. Bring it.
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(jmarklane @ Oct. 29 2012, 11:16 am)
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(BradMT @ Oct. 29 2012, 12:01 am)
QUOTE New Yorkers are notorious hand-wringers and whiners. BUT, if something goes seriously wrong for lack of action the public lynching in the local media will be voracious. I have to say, I find that comment profoundly offensive, I really do. Having watched this City recover from multiple terrorist attacks, massive storms, financial collapses and countless other things, big and small, on a daily basis for two decades that I have lived here, I can say with some confidence that New Yorkers are the most resilient, tough, and kind-hearted people on the planet. Whiners? What an absurd statement. Brad, I know you didn't intend to offend, but my guess is you've never really spent much time in NYC. It always amazes me, when I travel, how quick people are to sling insults at New York City (I mean, to me, when they learn that's where I'm from). I don't recall hearing New Yorkers make insulting comments like that to others about their cities. Anyway, we're pretty close to Long Island Sound where we now live, and we get a fair amount of flooding in these storms. Everyone around me is prepared, and the neighbors gathered last night to touch base. Bring it.
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(Pathfinder1 @ Oct. 29 2012, 11:44 am)
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(Tigger @ Oct. 29 2012, 11:00 am)
QUOTE Let me preface by first stating: We don't get Hurricanes out in my neck of the woods.
Question: How does 1 to 3 inches of rain with gusts reaching 50 to 70 mph equal evacuation? We get that for days on end occasionally and it's really not that big of a deal around here. I'm assuming the rising tide or something else comes into play...no? Hi... No. It's lack of drainage around streams, rivers, and flat land. We're inland, no tides, etc. Also, debris accumulating under bridges, etc.
And that rainfall prediction is at outer edge of the storm. NJ will probably get 8-12". GlenG mentioned TS Lee. I think it will be similar to that, but more widespread.
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 2:26 pm |
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I think I just saw Donald Trump's hair fly by.
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 2:30 pm |
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We just had our first little power hit.
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WalksWithBlackflies
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(Pathfinder1 @ Oct. 29 2012, 11:44 am)
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(Tigger @ Oct. 29 2012, 11:00 am)
QUOTE Let me preface by first stating: We don't get Hurricanes out in my neck of the woods.
Question: How does 1 to 3 inches of rain with gusts reaching 50 to 70 mph equal evacuation? We get that for days on end occasionally and it's really not that big of a deal around here. I'm assuming the rising tide or something else comes into play...no? Hi... No. It's lack of drainage around streams, rivers, and flat land. We're inland, no tides, etc. Also, debris accumulating under bridges, etc.
Is that urban flooding, or flash flooding of streams/rivers? In Upstate, it typically requires 5" or more to begin flash flooding of streams, but small intense amounts can lead to urban flooding.
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 2:34 pm |
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Margate, High Bridge... those I know are down already.
Enjoy your power free time Big_Load.
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It just got worse...
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Crap. Not him again. Every stinkin' storm...
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Storm surge ocean flooding:
http://project.wnyc.org/news-maps/hurricane-zones/hurricane-zones.html
Roxbury where I spent summers is just west of the bridge from Brooklyn to the Peninsula, though its mislabeled, it's just "Roxbury", Breezy Point is the tip. The airfield on the Brooklyn side of the bridge is where Lindbergh started his flight to Paris.
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 2:43 pm |
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Yep. Ocean surge. Atlantic City:
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Pier and bulkhead debris is the worst, twelve by twelves like those in the photo getting bounced around into buildings.....
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2012, 2:52 pm |
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Yes, they do nearly as much damage as the water alone.
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