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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 8:22 pm |
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It's been a fun day at the office, but I can't postpone going home much longer. I think I achieved my primary goal, which is to not need any more lake water until tomorrow.
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WalksWithBlackflies
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Posted on: Nov. 06 2012, 9:04 am |
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Can someone explain to me why your toilets won't flush during a power outage? Well water, I understand... no power to pump it out of the well. But municipal water?
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HighGravity
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Posted on: Nov. 06 2012, 9:16 am |
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Municipal systems use electric pumps as well.
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Posted on: Nov. 06 2012, 12:16 pm |
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big_load – I hope they get power to you sooner then latter, I usually take electricity and water almost for granted, hard when there is a breakdown. It is good to here that you are managing and all.
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WalksWithBlackflies
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Posted on: Nov. 06 2012, 12:23 pm |
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Thanks all. Our water comes from massive reservoirs that are around 1,500' above the municipalities. Maybe that's why we don't have this issue.
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big_load
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Posted on: Nov. 06 2012, 12:24 pm |
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It hasn't been too bad. For the first time in weeks, there were no clouds this morning, so the dawn was like a rebirth. I reheated some pancakes I cooked on Saturday and made some coffee I ground before the storm. It was quite satisfying. However, I still can't get over the habit of flicking the light switch when I enter a room.
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Well, call me a meanie, but rather than proving anyone such as Romney correct, I think this chalks up another point toward natural selection...
Many of the problems we see today are because our government and our technology have thwarted Mother Nature's natural way of "adding a bit of chlorine to the gene pool."
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HighGravity
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Posted on: Nov. 06 2012, 2:47 pm |
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(big_load @ Nov. 06 2012, 2:43 pm)
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QUOTE Well, call me a meanie, but rather than proving anyone such as Romney correct, I think this chalks up another point toward natural selection... Do you have some specific examples of people you think deserved to die?
Ask Bass. He has a rather extensive list.
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Posted on: Nov. 06 2012, 3:06 pm |
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(tomas @ Nov. 06 2012, 12:01 pm)
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QUOTE any of the problems we see today are because our government and our technology have thwarted Mother Nature's natural way of "adding a bit of chlorine to the gene pool." He types from the comfort of his climate controlled home...
To be fair basements are often naturally climate controlled. Now the dumbwaiter so mom doesn't have to descend the stairs to deliver snacks: that's exceptional!
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Posted on: Nov. 06 2012, 3:11 pm |
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(HighGravity @ Nov. 06 2012, 2:47 pm)
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QUOTE Well, call me a meanie, but rather than proving anyone such as Romney correct, I think this chalks up another point toward natural selection... Do you have some specific examples of people you think deserved to die? Ask Bass. He has a rather extensive list.
Did it include the fireman who died saving his own family?
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Posted on: Nov. 06 2012, 3:28 pm |
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Not sure. He seems to be more into annihilating entire countries. Or rather, asking someone else to do it for him, from a distance.
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Posted on: Nov. 14 2012, 7:11 pm |
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Now that people have had time to reflect on Sandy, Yahoo provided this story today. Read this article:
http://news.yahoo.com/does-people-flee-storm-200229283.html
What does it take to get people to flee a storm?
Some interesting reader comments at that link I'll comment on.
kf • What does it take to get people to flee a storm? That's easy. 1. They have to believe there is a need to do so. 2. They have to be physically and financially able to flee. And 3. they need someplace to flee to. In Sandy, people stayed because they didn't believe there was a need to flee or they were unable to do so because of physical or financial constraints. This is why some people who could have fled, stayed in their homes, and this is also why we still found old people left alone in high rises with no water, lights, or heat.
Yankee Doodle • For people to flee they need a way to flee (transportation), a place to flee to (shelter), and food/water. So unless you have shelters to house people, buses to get them there, and enough food/water to sustain them you must expect people to stay in their homes. Not everybody has family, cars, money, and other resources needed to flee. They need to stop people from building homes in potential flood regions.
Dave >>> One of the problems with authorities and their politicians in such areas is they often do not have such plans in place before storms or the public has little awareness of any planning. Part of the reason is that business interests like commercial development and real estate do not want to be scaring people away from coastal areas so tend to keep publicly quiet any discussion so that residents are left to their own means to flee and cope. But it is those same people that vote for those politicians so there is blame to go around at both ends. It is thus more a broader societal failure.
Deborah • The severity of the storm was clear, warnings were issued for days as it was coming in. People should have listened and evacuated if they could. I have a feeling that most folks just didn't think it through - storm, storm surge, flooding, no power, no power means no food, water, heat, lights, flushing toilets....
Dave >>> Authorites should not be surprised that a fair number people did not leave because one ought not expect the many who do not understand weather, much less historic storms, to suddenly understand or believe what they are hearing from the media even if such is in plain English and logical. The wiser approach is to make such disaster preparedness an ungoing annual matter of media and government discussion in coastal regions so everyone has time to understand what they need to do, how they might do so, and where.
larry n • Remember this was New York and the old adage is You can always tell a New Yorker but you can not tell them very much.
Dave >>> There are of course many foolish personalities whose knee jerk reaction given some abrupt disaster warning is always going to be one of stubborness rejecting what they hear or not listening. Again the way to bring such people aboard is to give them time to consider the issues and think about what THEY want to do.
Al • People are more comfortable in their environment, in their homes, and, they never expect the worse to happen to them. You cannot really blame them for that because that is just human nature.
Meat • If Katrina taught us anything, it's that there are people who will not leave, no matter how dire the warnings or how much time they have to evacuate. I was on vacation in a different area of the country, and I knew at least 5 days before Katrina hit that the Gulf Coast was not a place I or anyone else should go near...
Dave >>> Well we can educate them to not react so. These are the same people one sees in science fiction movies that stop dumbfounded gawking mouth agape at some horrible monster approaching and unlike everyone else running away down some street just stand there frozen in fear. Called the flee or flight response and is animal nature. The monster gets to them, grabs them in their jaws, shakes back and forth, then swallows. Happened for real on videos of the Malaysian tsunami with people gawking stupidfied from the beach while others ran.
Robert • People keep posting on here about having no money or vehicle to flee in ...... a large number of those who stayed during Sandy were middle class people who had the means , money and several days notice and for whatever reason didnt leave.
Dave >>> Indeed coastal regions tend to be expensive near because lots of people want to live there. So yeah though there were some poor and elderly folks that stayed due to limitations, many more of the people that did not evacuate did not have such excuses.
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Posted on: Nov. 14 2012, 10:02 pm |
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This may sound callous, but with landfall in the most densely populated state in the country and heavy impact on the most densely populated city, the rate of casualties was pretty low, in part because (at least in NJ) compliance was fairly good for the mandatory evacuations.
A larger question becomes how many people outside the mandatory areas should have left? 20M? 30M? 50M? Large portions of Pennsylvania and even Ohio were also without power for over a week. Who is going to even report the outages to make sure they all get fixed if no one is there (and that was indeed a problem near us; recovery was slowed because there wasn't adequate house-by-house information about the nature of outages). Also, how much longer are we willing to drag out the recovery by having more businesses closed for a longer period? I think there should be more focus on protecting critical infrastructure and improved recovery plans. Instead, what we're going to have as yet another big surcharge for rebuilding the electric system the same vulnerable way it was rebuilt the last time and the time before that.
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