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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 6:29 pm |
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The choices are as given by a randomization algorithm. There is no humanly discernable intentional order.
Just wondering where the forum falls. Please don't claim your candidate. I'm not interested in knowing why... (well, I am, but not here and not now).
I have an incorrigible hope in our ability to be civil.
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ol-zeke
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 6:40 pm |
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I would expect this forum to be leaning to the Left because of a concern for wild places, and the Left seems to be most concerned about keeping wild places wild. Hunters and fishermen may tend to the Right, but I would think BPers tended Left.
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GoBlueHiker
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 6:44 pm |
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You realize there's a forum for this, right? 
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ImmortalBen
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 6:49 pm |
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It is of continual wonder to me how people think hunters/fishermen are not as concerned with conservation (or "keeping wild places wild") as any other outdoor enthusiast.
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 6:51 pm |
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The votes should be weighted by numbers of electoral college votes for the poster's resident state... 
Or state of birth, I'm open to compromise....
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ol-zeke
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 7:25 pm |
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(ImmortalBen @ Nov. 05 2012, 3:49 pm)
QUOTE It is of continual wonder to me how people think hunters/fishermen are not as concerned with conservation (or "keeping wild places wild") as any other outdoor enthusiast.
I did not say that, at least not intentionally.
This is a BPing board, so I expect the leanings to be more left than if it was an NRA one.
Hunters and fishermen may lean Right, but I would think BPers would lean left, because the Left is more Environmentalist. While hunters and fishermen may have some Conservation interests, I would not put them generally in the Environmental camp.
It is true that hunters and fishermen contribute to causes that further game and fish habitat, and they may be partially responsible for some of the Wilderness designated areas, including Wild and Scenic rivers.
To keep this from further dropping into a Political discussion, I will leave it at that.
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ImmortalBen
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(bad knees @ Nov. 05 2012, 4:10 pm)
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(ImmortalBen @ Nov. 05 2012, 6:49 pm)
QUOTE It is of continual wonder to me how people think hunters/fishermen are not as concerned with conservation (or "keeping wild places wild") as any other outdoor enthusiast. Not sure I agree. I live on the coast of Maine and every other bumper sticker I see, blasts any form of Govt control or regulation of the fishing/ lobster industry. And I have a bunch of friends who are commercial lobsterman. Most would like nothing more than to remove all laws and fish them to death. And if you want to find a good fishing hole, just look for the trash. Beer cans, old line, tubs from worms etc... And I am an avid fisherman. Never understood this.
There is a tendency to take the worst specimens of any group of people and attribute their actions to the whole.
Plenty of BP'rs leave trash around. Plenty of people on BP trails love to carve things into trees and scratch things onto rock formations. How many trails across the country have had to be closed in order to tend to the damage caused by passers-by? These actions should not be attributed to BP'ers as a whole, so why should BP'ers get away with attributing similar actions to huntsmen and fishermen as a whole? I cry foul!
I doubt a bumper sticker has enough room on it to bemoan ALL regulation and remain readable. I will take that part of your statement to be hyperbole.
It would make no sense for a fisherman to WANT to fish out their livelihood. I bet they area against OVER-regulation or improper regulation. Only an anarchist would advocate having no regulation for anything whatsoever.
I recall the type of people you are referring to, however. I do not think I personally know any of them, and I am a hunter with many hunting friends. The vast majority of huntsmen and fishermen love pristine wilderness. Also, herd management as practiced by the hunting industry has a side result of working to eliminate unwanted gene traits from many of North America's big game animals.
You should read the hunting forums with threads griping about people mistreating the wilderness.
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 8:08 pm |
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Those who live in Ohio and Florida will have to stand in line for a few hours before they can vote, otherwise it ain't realistic.
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bad knees
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 8:25 pm |
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(ImmortalBen @ Nov. 05 2012, 7:55 pm)
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(bad knees @ Nov. 05 2012, 4:10 pm)
QUOTE
(ImmortalBen @ Nov. 05 2012, 6:49 pm)
QUOTE It is of continual wonder to me how people think hunters/fishermen are not as concerned with conservation (or "keeping wild places wild") as any other outdoor enthusiast. Not sure I agree. I live on the coast of Maine and every other bumper sticker I see, blasts any form of Govt control or regulation of the fishing/ lobster industry. And I have a bunch of friends who are commercial lobsterman. Most would like nothing more than to remove all laws and fish them to death. And if you want to find a good fishing hole, just look for the trash. Beer cans, old line, tubs from worms etc... And I am an avid fisherman. Never understood this. There is a tendency to take the worst specimens of any group of people and attribute their actions to the whole. Plenty of BP'rs leave trash around. Plenty of people on BP trails love to carve things into trees and scratch things onto rock formations. How many trails across the country have had to be closed in order to tend to the damage caused by passers-by? These actions should not be attributed to BP'ers as a whole, so why should BP'ers get away with attributing similar actions to huntsmen and fishermen as a whole? I cry foul! I doubt a bumper sticker has enough room on it to bemoan ALL regulation and remain readable. I will take that part of your statement to be hyperbole. It would make no sense for a fisherman to WANT to fish out their livelihood. I bet they area against OVER-regulation or improper regulation. Only an anarchist would advocate having no regulation for anything whatsoever. I recall the type of people you are referring to, however. I do not think I personally know any of them, and I am a hunter with many hunting friends. The vast majority of huntsmen and fishermen love pristine wilderness. Also, herd management as practiced by the hunting industry has a side result of working to eliminate unwanted gene traits from many of North America's big game animals. You should read the hunting forums with threads griping about people mistreating the wilderness.
Perhaps you are too young to remember the striper decline in the 70's. The strict regulation brought them back from the brink, to strong levels. Considered by many, as the "Crown Jewel" of conservation . And yes, there is a strong group that will deplete any resource they can exploit for the " whats in it for me now" attitude. Just saying. As the price of lobster fell, and the price of fuel increased , they turned to eels. Traded their pots for eel traps. Didn't take long for the Govt to step in and regulate that industry too. As the Giant Blue fin too. And yes they have a bumper sticker that states their opinion. If I can find it, I will post it for you.
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 8:46 pm |
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I'm from Chicago but it would not let me vote more than once. Can someone look into that for me
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(High_Sierra_Fan @ Nov. 05 2012, 8:51 pm)
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QUOTE I'm from Chicago but it would not let me vote more than once. Can someone look into that for me I believe your IP address has to link back to a cemetery. #ChicagoStylePoliticallyActive
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ImmortalBen
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 9:41 pm |
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I gotta say, the funny comments in this thread are pretty darn funny.
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Lamebeaver
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 10:02 pm |
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So, who's going to claim they're independent and haven't made their mind up on who they're going to vote for tomorrow?
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ImmortalBen
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(Lamebeaver @ Nov. 05 2012, 7:07 pm)
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(ol-zeke @ Nov. 05 2012, 5:25 pm)
QUOTE It is true that hunters and fishermen contribute to causes that further game and fish habitat, and they may be partially responsible for some of the Wilderness designated areas, including Wild and Scenic rivers. Actually, I belive the amount of money spend on envornmental causes (not just habitat) by "environmentalists" pales in comparison to the amount that comes from hunting and fishing license fees. Not that the sportsmen (and sportswomen) have much of a choice or say in the matter.
True, indeed. A lot of our hunting gear is also more expensive (in general) than BP gear, and the taxes we pay on those items cannot be ignored.
We do not mind funding a good chunk of conservation, as we enjoy the end result just as much as a BP'er.
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 10:45 pm |
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The worst trashing of a backcountry site I ever saw was trashed by backpackers. The worst frontcountry site was trashed by hunters. Fishermen can pretty much trash any site they go to.
The problem is that we see only the nasty behavior, rarely the noble as the noble is LNT.
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 10:52 pm |
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I already voted early, though in Texas, sad to say, or at least to me is that it did not truly mean much this time, I am sure that the majority of the people living in Texas voted for the other guy.
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 10:59 pm |
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The one true poll is running 59% to 41% Obama
http://www.7-eleven.com/7-Election/
The people speak with their coffee.
I HOPE the danged thing is over by the time I crawl into bed tomorrow night.
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orygawn
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Posted on: Nov. 05 2012, 11:01 pm |
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Anyone wanna see my hanging chad? 
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Y'all get a room.
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(Lamebeaver @ Nov. 05 2012, 10:02 pm)
QUOTE So, who's going to claim they're independent and haven't made their mind up on who they're going to vote for tomorrow?
I consider myself an independent voter, and I have made up my mind. I've done my own research--reading candidates' websites, news articles, and the Sec. of State's website --to determine which candidates and which ballot issues will get my vote. I will be voting for a democrat, several republicans, a libertarian, and a constitution party candidate. Above all, I chose candidates that I feel are honest, have integrity, who best represent my personal beliefs and values, and who seem to be good people. One of those candidates happens to be one of my former high school students!
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