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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 5:46 pm |
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The so-called Westboro Baptist 'Church' (basically one deranged extended family) said it will picket the Newtown school massacre site! Divine punishment and all that garbage! 
Anonymous (the infamous hackers) then released personal information on 'church' members -- including home addresses and such.
Hopefully no violence, but if 'church' members missed out on the protest because their tires got slashed, I doubt many will be upset.
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 5:59 pm |
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Unreal...
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big_load
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 6:34 pm |
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I wish Westboro's funding would dry up enough to leave them unable to intrude on grieving families. Although it's a long shot, it's more likely than coming to their senses.
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Deborah
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 6:44 pm |
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There is a petition in progress to have them legally declared a hate group.
It was at 24,000 signatures when I signed this morning. It is up to 55,300 now and growing at a rate of about 100 per minute.
Petitions at Whitehouse.gov
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 7:02 pm |
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How are all the other god believers so certain that the Westboro Church leaders are not the god believers getting the correct instructions from the one true sky daddy?
Every claim of direction from on high is of equal incredibility. The substance of the message doesn't change that.
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Ben2World
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 7:08 pm |
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Deborah (or anyone who knows):
Thanks for the link. I'm interested in joining the petition. Do you need to use real first and last names to open up an account? Doesn't look like it's a requirement... but I'd hate to open up an account and not be counted for using a 'handle'.
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 7:16 pm |
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(big_load @ Dec. 16 2012, 3:34 pm)
QUOTE I wish Westboro's funding would dry up enough to leave them unable to intrude on grieving families. Although it's a long shot, it's more likely than coming to their senses.
One of the main ways they make their money is the old fashioned way, they earn it. Yes, they are good attorneys ... VERY GOOD. So good in fact, they have to turn away clients. They also get additional income by winning law suits against those who try to stop them by violating their constitutional and statutory rights.
The WBC knows exactly how far they can go and almost always confine themselves within the limits of the law. My guess is no matter what happens with this petition mentioned by Deborah, they will continue as before, knowing the constitution is on their side.
Like internet trolls, there is only one proper response to the antics of WBC, IGNORE them. All the motorcycle groups and others who have tried to stop them have failed miserably in keeping them from their main objective ... publicity. Every article, every photo, every radio and TV mention of them gains WBC more publicity.
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Tigger
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 7:24 pm |
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I think someone needs to Bourne on them...
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RebeccaD
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 7:37 pm |
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I'm confused. What the HELL do they think the school did to deserve this??! Or do they just go for attention in a manner almost as inhuman as shooters who want to die in an unforgettable (and unforgivable) way?
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RumiDude
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 7:39 pm |
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(big_load @ Dec. 16 2012, 4:32 pm)
QUOTE
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QUOTE Like internet trolls, there is only one proper response to the antics of WBC, IGNORE them. All the motorcycle groups and others who have tried to stop them have failed miserably in keeping them from their main objective ... publicity. Every article, every photo, every radio and TV mention of them gains WBC more publicity. It will be a lot easier for me to ignore them than it will for the children, teachers, and parents who will have to deal with them for as long as they plan to protest.
No doubt. But just one news story of a distraught child, parent, teacher, or whoever ... and WBC gets their sought after publicity. Even some member of Rolling Thunder spouting off and WBC wins again. Throw this onto the 24hr newsfeeds and bang, even more publicity for WBC.
Responding to WBC with anything other than ignoring them and they win.
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ol-zeke
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 7:57 pm |
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Much as I disagree with WBC, I must admit they are only exercising their Right to Assemble. While I am For restricting our 2nd, I see nothing positive coming out of restricting our 1st.
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 8:21 pm |
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I "read" about it at FB last night and initially had the gut jerk reaction that most people have, BUT !!!! trying to find a factual site that is carrying the details is impossible.
Everyplace that I found was essentially a "junk" site.
I seriously doubt this rumor is true, but is being past around through social media sites/forums etc. Posting this only feeds WBC own publicity.
Rule #1: Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's true. That's why Snopes.com exists.
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 8:30 pm |
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(big_load @ Dec. 16 2012, 6:27 pm)
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QUOTE I "read" about it at FB last night Same here.
You're on FB ??
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Ben2World
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 8:32 pm |
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(Lamebeaver @ Dec. 16 2012, 5:07 pm)
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QUOTE There is a petition in progress to have them legally declared a hate group.
It was at 24,000 signatures when I signed this morning. It is up to 55,300 now and growing at a rate of about 100 per minute. I'm not sure which I find more offensive: The crackpots at WBC....and they're plenty offensive Or the people who think it's OK to get someone declared a "hate group" by signing a petition. Whatever happend to "due process"?
I agree with you to a great degree. OTOH, how do we protect members of our society who have been gravely hurt from getting hurt even more -- and for no other reason than another group simply intent on inflicting more hurt?
Does freedom necessarily mean 24/7 no matter what? Or can we be sufficiently respectful guardians of each other's freedom by restricting excesses while still retaining sufficient avenues of expression?
In other words, we recognize the wrong in outright muzzling others. But what if we impose very specific and well-defined limitations -- while ensuring that everyone can still be heard all the rest of the time?
As a comparison, we recognize the freedom of religion -- but we also recognize and put restrictions on the extremes of religion. Methinks we should strive for proper balance regardless of principles or freedoms -- and not let any group hijack them to extremes.
Finally, a petition to our government does not necessarily mean we want it to skip out of due process. Having our government look into the actions of Westboro is actually a part of that due process.
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 8:33 pm |
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(swimswithtrout @ Dec. 16 2012, 8:30 pm)
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QUOTE I "read" about it at FB last night Same here. You're on FB ??
Not on FB, I meant that I haven't been able to dig up a credible source since I saw it here.
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RumiDude
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 8:49 pm |
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(big_load @ Dec. 16 2012, 5:33 pm)
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QUOTE I "read" about it at FB last night Same here. You're on FB ?? Not on FB, I meant that I haven't been able to dig up a credible source since I saw it here.
For once it isn't the "media" overhyping something. hahaha
I think I will remember this the next time I read a comment about how the media supposedly overhypes an issue.
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 9:04 pm |
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Something earlier, maybe the Matthew Shepard funeral in Laramie, the response was for other people to put on big angel winged costumes and surround the funeral so the WBC protesters were blocked from view. Quiet and effective.
The other related story today was that a church had to be evacuated today because it got a call threatening that, "my friend didn't finish the job". It is a church scheduled to hold 8 of the children's funerals and has over 500 members. Pretty sad to force them to be escorted out by SWAT in a terrified morning today.
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 9:08 pm |
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Yes, I really said it.
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 9:43 pm |
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I would have no problems with a location restriction being placed on the WBC right to assemble, say to some place at a respectful distance from the services. I think the courts have already ruled on this, and the distance is not all that far from the activities they want to protest.
If, in this instance they merely want to protest the excesses of our society, then perhaps a nice open area near Whitefish could be arranged.
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2012, 10:47 pm |
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I think their limit is 300 feet. That would be too close to me.
There will be a counter protest, they won't get anywhere near those families.
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