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http://www.seattlepi.com/news....058.php
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Posted on: Nov. 29 2012, 11:37 am |
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So everyone can call their broker when being chased by a Grizzly to inquire about their beneficiaries.
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Posted on: Nov. 29 2012, 11:48 am |
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It's going to happen, like it or not.
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Posted on: Nov. 29 2012, 11:55 am |
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Fishing Bridge, not surprised as that's a wholely owned RV users ruled area. The winnebagos need their contact. That whole site was supposed to be closed down when they built a replacement to mitigate the bad Grizzly encounters at Fishing Bridge (it's the bears that did the fishing in the name) but once the other site was completed the RV's demanded Fishing Bridge stay open.
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Posted on: Nov. 29 2012, 12:19 pm |
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I wonder what the "existing utility site, next to existing telephone and electric lines" looks like now.
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Posted on: Nov. 29 2012, 12:55 pm |
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The proposed location is at the center crosshairs of this map.
There are numerous documents available from the Park Service describing the project. Those include photo simulations of what the completed tower will look like from various locations. As far as I'm concerned, there is no excuse for attempting to camouflage the tower after it is built. Accept it for what it is.
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Posted on: Nov. 29 2012, 1:21 pm |
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Here ya go
Galvanized laced steel structure
100 feet
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Posted on: Nov. 29 2012, 6:35 pm |
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Could they have hot water shoot out the top every hour or so?
That would really draw a crowd!
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Posted on: Nov. 29 2012, 6:42 pm |
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I think this really belongs in the "End of the World Plans" thread, but...
I've seen some disguised as evergreens, even in my area. And at an RV park it won't really bother me. I just wonder how many people will call 911 to order pizza.
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no_granola
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Posted on: Nov. 30 2012, 5:52 am |
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It better be 4G service!
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Posted on: Nov. 30 2012, 8:32 am |
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So call me stupid or what have you, but I've had cell coverage in the major areas of YNP. (grant village, canyon village, old faithful area and in the mammoth hot springs area) Granted I'd rather they keep their behemoths parked, as I consider them one of the more dangerous creatures in the park, but they can't drive a few miles for coverage? Plus I assumed that area had cell coverage already because of the RVs. Never spent much time in that part of the park as it didn't look interesting, just a bunch of frontlanders "camping". We stopped there once to turn around and it looked like a nightmare. Both of us very happy to be in our little tent roughing it at Grant Village when we weren't in the backcountry. Honestly, I'm surprised there aren't more cell towers there anyway. Considering only about 1% or so of the visitors there actually go into the backcountry, I'm thinking they will cater more to the non hikers as they are more likely to spend the most amount of money.
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Posted on: Nov. 30 2012, 8:46 am |
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YNP is chock full of this sort of stuff. Personally, I avoid the JNP as much as possible. Just outside the park, south of Cameron, and just north of Quake Lake, is a big ole' cell tower dressed like a Christmas tree... looks ridiculous. I'd sooner it look like a cell tower! In Jellystone, set in the forest, if it were done in the same manner you'd hardly know it's there.
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Posted on: Dec. 02 2012, 2:05 am |
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Now you can get out your cell phone at night and dial 911 as the grizzly is ripping into your tent. Makes you feel safer.
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no_granola
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I'm not sure why this is such a big deal for you guys. This campground is not a destination most of us would visit.
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(no_granola @ Dec. 02 2012, 6:19 am)
QUOTE I'm not sure why this is such a big deal for you guys. This campground is not a destination most of us would visit.
There's a matter of principle involved here. When many of us plan visits to national parks and forests, we expect to give up a few things in return for the experience of nature we can't have at home. So we may give up TV for a campfire, give up the microwave for a cookstove, and maybe give up the cell phone for an occasional pay phone on a land line if we really need outside contact right away.
So we resort to little visitor centers, benches, kiosks, and welcome signs made of logs painted dark brown. It's a motif our federal agencies have often purveyed so well in maintaining a view harmonious to the outdoors and devoid of the wild colors of commercialism that practically scream for attention on other roads outside our parks.
So back to principle: where does it stop when we allow commercial interests to interrupt the skyline with such things as cell towers? At what point do these visual interruptions reach into the wilderness? When is "convenience" anathema to the purpose of the parks?
The questions go much further. How many snowmobiles per day should be allowed to interrupt the wildlife of the park in winter? When do we start paving 4-lane highways to make the traffic safer? You know people are not going to drive 45 mph.
What obligation do we have to support commercial enterprise and local communities around the park? What about snowmobile traffic, Verizon-AT&T, whatever? What about outfitters who want some extra cash guiding grizzly-bear hunts? Are we really obligated to consider their financial interests above the mission of the Park?
And how many full-service RV hook-ups do we need in the Park? To read the Yellowstone Forums, there are numerous people who have learned to become long-term, summer residents of Yellowstone simply by moving their RVs from one reserved campsite to another.
Principle again: Where in all these controversies does nature prevail against the constant pressure to modernize and the constant desire for frivolous convenience? Looks like we have made another compromise. But tsk, tsk, it was bound to happen, now wasn't it? There, there.
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Posted on: Dec. 04 2012, 12:32 pm |
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Personally, I'm fine going without a phone for extended periods.
But considering all the structures, campgrounds and roads that already exist within the park,
I don't see the addition of a cell tower being that big of a deal.
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no_granola
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(TravisNWood @ Dec. 04 2012, 11:46 am)
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(no_granola @ Dec. 02 2012, 6:19 am)
QUOTE I'm not sure why this is such a big deal for you guys. This campground is not a destination most of us would visit. There's a matter of principle involved here. When many of us plan visits to national parks and forests, we expect to give up a few things in return for the experience of nature we can't have at home. So we may give up TV for a campfire, give up the microwave for a cookstove, and maybe give up the cell phone for an occasional pay phone on a land line if we really need outside contact right away. So we resort to little visitor centers, benches, kiosks, and welcome signs made of logs painted dark brown. It's a motif our federal agencies have often purveyed so well in maintaining a view harmonious to the outdoors and devoid of the wild colors of commercialism that practically scream for attention on other roads outside our parks. So back to principle: where does it stop when we allow commercial interests to interrupt the skyline with such things as cell towers? At what point do these visual interruptions reach into the wilderness? When is "convenience" anathema to the purpose of the parks? The questions go much further. How many snowmobiles per day should be allowed to interrupt the wildlife of the park in winter? When do we start paving 4-lane highways to make the traffic safer? You know people are not going to drive 45 mph. What obligation do we have to support commercial enterprise and local communities around the park? What about snowmobile traffic, Verizon-AT&T, whatever? What about outfitters who want some extra cash guiding grizzly-bear hunts? Are we really obligated to consider their financial interests above the mission of the Park? And how many full-service RV hook-ups do we need in the Park? To read the Yellowstone Forums, there are numerous people who have learned to become long-term, summer residents of Yellowstone simply by moving their RVs from one reserved campsite to another. Principle again: Where in all these controversies does nature prevail against the constant pressure to modernize and the constant desire for frivolous convenience? Looks like we have made another compromise. But tsk, tsk, it was bound to happen, now wasn't it? There, there.
So, because you don't want it (on principle) no one should have it, even though you'll probably never go there?
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Posted on: Dec. 05 2012, 12:32 pm |
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(no_granola @ Dec. 05 2012, 9:24 am)
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(hbfa @ Dec. 04 2012, 12:32 pm)
QUOTE Personally, I'm fine going without a phone for extended periods.
But considering all the structures, campgrounds and roads that already exist within the park,
I don't see the addition of a cell tower being that big of a deal. I'm guessing the majority of the park users, if polled, would have this opinion with a preference toward the availability of cell service. For my part, I don't care either way.
Yes but I expect not at the cost of the views being marred by obvious cell towers on every other peak on the horizon. That's the sensibility the park was attempting to address with their simulated photos with a 100 foot crane standing in for the proposed tower structure.
Neither the park, which also appreciates better communications for safety reasons and the visitors, who expect such conveniences, want to impact the very views and landscape the park has as a central value.
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Posted on: Dec. 05 2012, 1:21 pm |
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TravisNWood- But would you stay at Fishing Bridge in an RV?
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Here ya go. Taken by a guy who was never there. Get it? N_G seems to think a guy from Wyoming never goes to Yellowstone. Well, here's the Valley of the Yellowstone north of Fishing Bridge.
How many hundred other photos do I have to post taken by a guy who was never there?
Dog gone it all to heck!! I completely forgot to check for cell towers before I took the picture.   
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