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If anyone lived on the summit of California's Mount Shasta, they'd need a mighty big shovel to dig out of the snowstorm that will bury the mountain in astronomical amounts of snow through the weekend -- amounts that could flirt with world records.

The Thursday morning National Weather Service summit forecast for Shasta predicted an incredible 33 to 39 inches of snow -- just for Thursday alone.

(By comparison, Atlanta, Ga., has reported 38.9 inches of snow since March 1, 1989 -- a period of over 23 years.)

But it gets crazier.

Add in another 37 to 43 inches of snow Thursday night, and additional amounts ranging from  21 to 35 inches every 12 hours through Saturday night, plus a light dusting of 11 to 17 inches on Sunday...

...and you get a storm total of 176 inches.  On the low end.

Add up the high end of the numbers and you get a forecast maximum of 218 inches of snow in four days!

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That's a lot of snow.  I'm glad I don't have to shovel it.
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something tells me there might be flooding in the future.

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Maybe... but be wary of the usual media hype.

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Wow..that is a lot of snow!  Hope everyone is prepared.

We had snow in Tampa on January 19, 1977.  I was teaching at a community college and a number of students had never seen snow.

It seems extreme weather is happening more and more.  Hurricane Sandy, record continuing drought, the tornadoes of just a couple of years ago and the record heat and it looks like 2012 may be the hottest year on record.  What’s next?

Living in Florida we had tropical storm Debbie this year which dropped of 30 inches of rain in some area which resulted in the Suwannee River rising 30 feet in less than 24 hours. We were in a drought before the storm and now we are back in a drought.


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Well, at least somebody is getting snow. ???
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I guess that would be deep enough to snowshoe in. Wish we could get some of that here in the Midwest to help out with the  low river levels and the drought.
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We here near Atlanta thank you for the minimal accumulation.

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We can't drive anything like straight there but it's about 190 to 200 miles from us here on the coast and we are getting a lot of rain this week

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We can't drive anything like straight there but it's about 190 to 200 miles from us here on the coast and we are getting a lot of rain this week. Something like 10 inches in a couple days

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I'm guessing the aftercast will be far more accurate and the totals will be much lower.  Past experience shows that the forecast is always for the most sensational weather because it doesn't make news otherwise.

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The one problem in your story is that you're relying on "The Weather Channel", the most horrendously inaccurate source for weather news there is. How it got it's name is beyond me because it more resembles a British Tabloid in their splash page headers.

NOAA is forecasting at most 68 " for the summit of Shasta.

The Wind speeds are off the chart though ....  :O



In contrast, we got 39" of snow here in Ft. Collins in 24 hrs in the March Storm of 2003. The foothills received 90-120" of snow in 36 hrs.

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Mt Baker 1999. The only time a ski resort closed because of too much snow. The chairlift pylons got buried.
http://classic.mountainzone.com/news/99/bakerrecord.html


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this is kind of funny because it is in the "unofficial networks" and starts by saying this is "officially a lot of snow" but back in February, Lebanon got 40 feet in 5 days
http://unofficialnetworks.com/40-feet-snow-5-days-lebanon-77832/


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Mt Baker 1999. The only time a ski resort closed because of too much snow. The chairlift pylons got buried.
http://classic.mountainzone.com/news/99/bakerrecord.html

no,

google "ski resort closed from too much snow, and a lot come up"

including

http://iceagenow.info/2012....ed-snow

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http://austriantimes.at/news....ch_snow


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I'm guessing the aftercast will be far more accurate and the totals will be much lower.  Past experience shows that the forecast is always for the most sensational weather because it doesn't make news otherwise.

I think some guy thought the same thing recently in the Smokys.  :;):
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The storm I was in last Spring shut down our local ski resort on Mt. Bachelor which was apparently a rarity. Five feet of snow in two days and 100+ mph winds. I didn't even realize it was "that bad" until we got back. I was more concerned with the rain and wind than I was the snow blowing through.

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The issue with world record snowfall just as it is with record precipitation is only a few locations where such extremes occur have weather instruments.   In the continental US, I'd expect the greatest snowfall to be on Pacific sides of one of the Cascade volcanoes like Ranier or Shasta though unlikely at one of their weather stations. The following page has a rather impressive image of a snow plowed highway going through a section of deep snows.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog....ynum=60

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Prodigious snowfalls occur in high mountain areas all over the world, but by and large these places are uninhabited. Particularly snowy mountains include the Alps of the South Island of New Zealand above 3,000 to 4,000 feet. The southern tip of the Andes near Tierra del Fuego and Patagonia, in Chile and Argentina, experiences tremendous snow accumulations above the 3,000- to 4,000-foot level as do the southern flanks of the high Himalayas east of the 80° longitude.


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http://classic.mountainzone.com/news/99/bakerrecord.html

no,

google "ski resort closed from too much snow, and a lot come up"

including

http://iceagenow.info/2012....ed-snow

and

http://austriantimes.at/news....ch_snow

Mammoth in Cal has a few times as well.
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Even if it's not the most ever, that's still a lot of snow.
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True.  That is a lot of snow.

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Mt Baker 1999. The only time a ski resort closed because of too much snow. The chairlift pylons got buried.
http://classic.mountainzone.com/news/99/bakerrecord.html

no,

Actually yes and no.  In the winter of 1998-99, Mt Baker Ski Area got so much snow it covered the chair lifts.  Ski areas often get so much snow and wind it halts operation because of avalanche danger and high wind dangers.  But as far as I know Mt Baker is the only time when the accumulation of snow was so great it buried the ski lifts.  They had to dig out the chair lifts in order to opperate.  Took about three days IIRC.  The snowboarders/skiers were above the chair lifts.  Quite extraordinary experience.

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Mammoth 1969, not only were lifts under the snow but an entire fleet of busses and cars got trapped "under" the parking lot snow until spring thaw.

One thing to keep in mind, it's not simply a flat level snow depth from the snowfall amounts, the wind piles the snow in drifts that can get huge: forty feet are mentioned for the 2005 storms: like pictured here:
http://www.thestormking.com/Weather....ll.html and here: http://www.thestormking.com/tahoe_nuggets/Nugget_160/nugget_160.html

The founder and owner operator until a few years ago of Mammoth ski resort, Dave McCoy, had been a snow surveyor for the California hydrology department so he picked a very snowy spot!
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Whoa! 150 mph gust measured at Mammoth Mtn.

http://www.weather.com/news....0121202
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It's raining here in Wyoming...In December. Whatever our politics things are indeed different than they were not all that long ago.

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This view from the NWS is interesting, especially if you change it to the "last 7days".
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Baker and Rainier take the official records.  Nearly 100 inches per month, over 12 months!  Which means well over 200 inches a month in peak snow times.

It's official�Mt. Baker, Washington, has set a new record for the most snowfall ever measured in the United States in a single season, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA) reported today.
The Mt. Baker Ski Area in northwestern Washington reported 1,140 inches of snowfall for the 1998-99 snowfall season. The figure was scrutinized by the National Climate Extremes Committee, which is responsible for evaluating potential national record-setting extreme events. The committee, composed of experts from NOAA, the American Association of State Climatologists, and a regional expert from the Western Regional Climate Center, made a unanimous recommendation to the director of NOAA's National Climatic Data Center to accept the figure.

"In accepting the validity of the 1,140 inches of snowfall at Mt. Baker, the National Climatic Data Center recognizes that a new record has been set," said Tom Karl, director of the center. "The previous U.S. seasonal snowfall record was 1,122 inches, set during the 1971-1972 snowfall season at Mt. Rainer/Paradise, a station located at 5,500 feet on the slopes of Mt. Rainer, about 150 miles south of Mt. Baker."

Snowfall can be extremely difficult to measure accurately because it settles, melts, and during times of wind, drifts from place to place. The committee reports that the measurements met snowfall observation standards and practices prescribed by the National Weather Service, and were thus considered to be an accurate depiction of snowfall amounts that fell.

"The measurement frequency was once a day; a flat surface was used to measure daily snowfall amounts; and a snow stake for snow depth measurement was also in place," said Raymond Downs, an observations standards expert on the committee. "Both snowfall and snow depth were measured in acceptable locations. The bottom line is the observations were taken in a manner that meets official observation standards."


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More snowstorm records:

For a single storm, the official world record accumulation is 189” (480 cm) over a six-day period February 13-19, 1959 at Shasta Ski Bowl in northern California. However, a reliable measurement of 194” (493 cm) occurred in just four days at the Norden railway depot in California’s Sierra on April 20-23, 1880 during one of the greatest storm’s ever to strike California (Sacramento received 7.24”/184 mm of rain in 24 hours, a city record that still stands).

The greatest two-day snow accumulation on record (in the U.S. and world) is 120.6” (306 cm) at Thompson Pass, Alaska on December 29-30, 1955.

Outside of the U.S., the greatest 24-hour snowfall on record was 173 cm (68.2”) at Tsukayama, Japan on December 30-31, 1960 (this site should not be confused with a town with the same name in the Ryuku Islands). Tsukayama is located in the coastal mountains inland from the Sea of Japan along Honshu’s west coast. The coastal city of Takada is the snowiest sea-level location in the world (although Valdez, Alaska is also a contender for this dubious distinction) and once received 149 cm (58.6”) of snow in 24 hours on February 8, 1927.


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Day'um... Redfield, NY got over 12' (144"+) during a lake effect storm a few years back. I thought that was a lot!

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