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I was finally able to cross off one on my bucket life list, by getting to see Native American petroglyphs in the desert of AZ.

It wasn't in the most remote setting, but even for Black Friday, there were still a few spots at the TH, and what the other hikers on the trail were doing, I have no clue.

They were all just running/up down the trail as fast as they could, and only a few even stopped to ask me what I was looking at.

This is what I was looking for, and it was like an Easter Egg hunt for a grown -up. They were hidden everywhere ! Some in open sight, but many took a bit of off trail meandering to find.

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Very neat! Reminds me of Three Rivers site in New Mexico.

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Thanks!  That is indeed a fabulous site.  The incredible density of glyphs on a handful of surfaces stands in marked contrast to their absence in so many similar places nearby.

What does it all mean?  That's the huge and controversial question. Hopefully some of the other Southwest Cultures afficionados will chime in, too, because it's more than I can bite off by myself.  The foremost recognized experts are very circumspect about hypothesized interpretations, in part because of sensitivity to the surviving cultures to whom they have religious significance, since there isn't much to go on apart from those echoes of the more distant past.  

There are a few symbols that have somewhat commonly accepted interpretations, but there's so much cultural context lost that the obvious part is believed to be a small fraction their full meaning.  

All that aside, there are undoubtedly calendar elements and important astronomical and geographical alignments at most of these sites.  There are clan symbols, depictions of gods and people in ceremonial dress, I could blather on for quite a while ...
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It clearly reads:
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If you're interested in digging around, these mostly are from the Hohokam culture, and the type are known as the Gila Petroglyph Style (Anthropomorhic, Zoomorphic, or Abstract, as the case may be).  There are older ones mixed in there.  These are mostly 800-1000 years old, but the oldest rock art around there is up to 5000 years old.
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All that aside, there are undoubtedly calendar elements and important astronomical and geographical alignments at most of these sites.  There are clan symbols, depictions of gods and people in ceremonial dress, I could blather on for quite a while ...

Please do !! I'm a fish out of water trying to figure this out.



This was one of my favorites, the figure of a hand, maybe the artist himself saying "I was here"



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That might be a foot, which isn't as popular as the hand, but still popular.  It also could be a bear print, but I'm going with foot.

Anyway, one of the interpretations of the handprint is that it represents a prayer in itself, or may designate nearby glyphs as a prayer.  Handprints were sometimes added periodically near clan symbols on possible ritual visits, or near depictions of figures in ceremonial dress.

I'm at a complete loss on the abstract figures.
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The two best references I know of are:

"Indian Rock Art of the Southwest" by Polly Schaafsma
"Legacy on Stone" by Sally J. Cole

The emphasis is on correlating graphical styles with culture/time/area of occupation.

My favorite synopsis of the relationship between the major cultures and the current state of the academic debate on their evolution is:

"A History of the Ancient Southwest" by Stephen H. Lekson
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Very cool.

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I was finally able to cross off one on my bucket life list, by getting to see Native American petroglyphs in the desert of AZ.

If that is something that holds your interest, along with being like a trip to another planet, Valley of Fire near Las Vegas has "Petroglyph Canyon" with a scattering of glyphs, and a large number concentrated in one spot.
You could probably find better images than mine, but I'd upload some if you want to see them.
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I don't know if you're able to to ride your bike at Wild Rivers in New Mexico, but you just might be able to. It's a great place North of Taos, not sure if it is what DD is talking about or not. 3 sided shelters in an 800' deep Gorge of the Rio Grande. Great rim car camping too.

If you can down the road hit Natural Bridges on Cedar Mesa. rocky Mountain High shot some of those Petroglyphs a couple of years ago on our way back from the Big Ditch.


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May I highly recommend:

http://wyoparks.state.wy.us/Site/SiteInfo.aspx?siteID=34

Very significant site, possibly as old as 11,000 years. Let me know if you are that way and I would be glad to meet you there and give a personal tour.
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Beautiful.

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Sometimes it is so obvious on what they were telling us, like this one is obviously telling us to get ourselves some cheap sunglasses and to turn up the rock and roll. :D



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Not sure what this one is telling us :) :laugh:



I truly enjoy walking around and looking at the glimpses left by people before us to ponder upon.


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I think City Man's glyphs are Rio Grande Style (Anthropomorphic,  Zoomorphic, Abstract).
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Very neat! Reminds me of Three Rivers site in New Mexico.

Exactly what I thought of.

SWT, thanks for posting these.  My younger boys (8 and 7) really enjoyed them.  8 y.o. went to AZ with me on business a few years back.  The whole time we were looking at these, he was telling the youngest, "See, they've got all kinds of cool stuff out there."


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