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An interactive map showing the names and addresses of all handgun permit holders in New York's Westchester and Rockland counties has infuriated many readers since it was posted Saturday on a newspaper's website.

I'm undecided.

On one hand it is public record so in theory anyone can access the info if they wanted.

But it still seems to invade the privacy of the law abiding folks.


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As noted the information is a matter of public record AND SHOULD BE IMO.

Since this should be in TPA I will not hold back and spare some of the folks here the veracity they don't want to and often refuse to hear. In these counties I see a much better respect for the "well regulated militia" component of the 2nd Amendment than most of the country. There's a simple, obvious reason that more often than not Northern cities/states have far fewer gun problems than Southern cities/states do with much less fettered access to firearms. The NRA can cough up all the deceitful, dangerous, illogical, and entirely unsubstantiated rhetoric it wants to; it will not change the indisputable fact that the more heavily armed and under regulated a developed nation community is the far more likely those citizens are to suffer gun violence of every kind.

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after reading the pole I was undecided on whether this should be TPA or not. Sorry for the that and the double post for that matter

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Its all good man. It's an important topic. My note was not ment as a dig at you eggs. Sorry for not being articulate enough on my support of you posting this.

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The corollary to posting gun permit holders is that it also posts the homes where there are no (legal) guns.

Criminal bonanza.


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The map doesn't show rifles or shotguns or illegal guns. Thank god or there would be a blood bath.
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I guess I've spent far too much of my time solo out in the country and in the wilderness to give a CRAP who has a gun, who carries a gun, etc. etc.

What next? Make a Google map showing the residence of everyone we think might have a "mental disorder" -- as if anyone knows the CRAP what the hell that is.


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It's public record, so MTLW's concern is unfounded.  Personally, I could care less.  But of course I'm somewhat reasonable and I understand that gun owners are far more likely to harm themselves or someone close to them--intentionally or not--than they are to come after me.

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I don't care for the motive at all.

I don't own a gun and I likely never will.  I wish folks can just give them up.  BUT -- gun ownership is still a legal right.  So now, we are reduced to "outing" people we disagree with -- legal or not?  I would be supportive of outing illegal gun owners -- if they can get reliable info at all -- but that's about it.


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Voting is a legal right. I'm sure The Google could make a map of who and where are the registered republicans.
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Voting is a legal right. I'm sure The Google could make a map of who and where are the registered republicans.

But notice they don't -- at least not to the level of showing your specific street address and how you voted?  ???


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But they could. And the gun map just shows who has a license Not specifically what or if you bought a gun.
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Not sure what your point is, Marmot, but I think OP is asking about "should" or not??  Google 'can' do a lot of things -- like mapping out and disclosing porn site visits by household.   :;):

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Do they have a number that can count that high for your house hold?  :;):
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I don't care if they publish it or not. I'm seriously considering the purchase of a gun and won't mind if they publish my address. It's my decision.

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For those of you who are all for this.....what if some of these people are abused women who don't want their ex to know where they're living?  That IS, IMHO a legitimate reason to have a concealed weapon permit.

I'm sure the interactive map would make it much more convenient for the abusers to track down their victims.
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I don't care for the motive at all.

I don't own a gun and I likely never will.  I wish folks can just give them up.  BUT -- gun ownership is still a legal right.  So now, we are reduced to "outing" people we disagree with -- legal or not?  I would be supportive of outing illegal gun owners -- if they can get reliable info at all -- but that's about it.

Really this is no different than publishing neighborhood sex-offender information.  That information is public record and legally publishable.

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I don't care for the motive at all.

I don't own a gun and I likely never will.  I wish folks can just give them up.  BUT -- gun ownership is still a legal right.  So now, we are reduced to "outing" people we disagree with -- legal or not?  I would be supportive of outing illegal gun owners -- if they can get reliable info at all -- but that's about it.

Really this is no different than publishing neighborhood sex-offender information.  That information is public record and legally publishable.

I would compare publishing sex offenders to publishing only illegal gun owners -- which I addressed in my post above.  :;):

Do you really believe that any company, government, etc. has the right to aggregate any information as long as it's already 'public'?  Methinks there is still a difference between public but disparate information vs. aggregated.  Anyway, my view.


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Do they have a number that can count that high for your house hold?  :;):

As they say in stores, looking is free.   :D

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Yeah this is a tough topic.  

On the one hand, public info is public info, and applying for and receiving your permit is somewhat of an acknowledgement of the documentation of that permit.  I also believe, as the article alludes to, since this information is public record, that as a citizen, I should have the ability to use this info to select a residence that has the density of gun owners that I personally deem appropriate (yes, I know such info is limited and many other firearms may exist, but at least it gives a citizen SOMETHING to go on).  Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable in a neighborhood full of gun owners, or perhaps you prefer to raise your child in a more gun-free neighborhood.  The choice should be yours.

But I do recognize, that large scale mapping of permit holders available to the public via one or two mouse-clicks may be legal, but a little over the top.  While I don't necessarily think criminals are now going to target gun-owners to see if they can steal guns, or target non-owners because they can commit their crime unabated, there is certainly an increased risk of some moron getting that idea via easily accessed info.  Remember though, this map wouldn't guaranty a criminal of much of anything - based on the criteria used to make it.

ETA: Also, LB's point about prior victims' addresses is also valid IMHO.


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Most criminals I've heard about know what's inside a residence they want to burglarize anyways (usually someone who knows what can be fenced for drug money) .  Nothing worse than paying for steak to divert a stranger's guard dogs only to discover the owner is a buddhist monk with only an old worn rug to their name and about 50 lbs of bulk rice

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For those of you who are all for this.....what if some of these people are abused women who don't want their ex to know where they're living?  That IS, IMHO a legitimate reason to have a concealed weapon permit.

I'm sure the interactive map would make it much more convenient for the abusers to track down their victims.

Certain situations should trump Public Record in my opinion.

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Do you really believe that any company, government, etc. has the right to aggregate any information as long as it's already 'public'?  Methinks there is still a difference between public but disparate information vs. aggregated.  Anyway, my view.

There is nothing that makes it illegal.

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There is nothing that makes it illegal.

Prolly not.  But "should" encompasses more than just legality.   :;):

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Do you really believe that any company, government, etc. has the right to aggregate any information as long as it's already 'public'?  Methinks there is still a difference between public but disparate information vs. aggregated.  Anyway, my view.

There is nothing that makes it illegal.

Prolly not.  But "should" encompasses more than just legality.   :;):

Right, it encompasses individual opinions, which have no place where the legal issues are concerned.

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Do you really believe that any company, government, etc. has the right to aggregate any information as long as it's already 'public'?  Methinks there is still a difference between public but disparate information vs. aggregated.  Anyway, my view.

There is nothing that makes it illegal.

Prolly not.  But "should" encompasses more than just legality.   :;):

Right, it encompasses individual opinions, which have no place where the legal issues are concerned.

And it is the amalgamation of individual opinions that help determine how laws get written.


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By publishing names and addresses of the people with gun permits, criminals have the addresses of where law enforcement, and corrections officers live.  Will the editor be accountable if anything happens to them?
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Why would the editor be accountable?  What laws have been broken?

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