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Mountain lion struck by car dies in Saguaro National Park West

I caught a glimpse of the west end of an east bound cat off of the Roadrunner Trail out there 6 weeks ago from about 70 yards.
Probably the same animal.
Kind of sad

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Got any idea what the speed limit is along that stretch of road? I'd guess the odds are fairly high that the vehicle was speeding.

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I'm pretty sure it's 35mph. But, the road is kind of remote and, well, you know how most drivers are. I doubt they were going 35.

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Sad to hear.  

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Yeah, it's posted at 35, but has some knarley 10mph curves
People generally drive too fast thru there

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Yeah, it's posted at 35, but has some knarley 10mph curves
People generally drive too fast thru there

That's for sure.  It's hard if you're trying to gawk at the flora and geology, because somebody always comes out of nowhere to ride your tail.  Poor kitty.   :(
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Got any idea what the speed limit is along that stretch of road? I'd guess the odds are fairly high that the vehicle was speeding.

I would not bet on such. Many animals jump in front of cars in a way that it cannot be avoided.  Especially at night and I assume that was at night.

I accidentally ran over a porcupine in Yosemite at around 0230 hrs (no, I did not get a flat). I was probably going 15 or 20 mph when this happened. This was on 120 near the east side.

Also, Tom ran into a deer when I was following behind him on a motorcycle. This was at night too, and below the speed limit, but that was on I-80 at around 60 MPH near Soda Springs. The deer jumped out from the center divider, right in front of the car and was killed instantly. Some damage to the front of the car too, but we could still continue.

I am just happy he ran into the deer with the car instead of me on the motorcycle.

Before we place blame, I think we should have more forensic evidence than a guess.

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Got any idea what the speed limit is along that stretch of road? I'd guess the odds are fairly high that the vehicle was speeding.

I would not bet on such . . . Before we place blame, I think we should have more forensic evidence than a guess.

-Don- SSF, CA

So what's the problem? Get your speed gun and go out on the road and document the traffic. Pretty darn trivial comment, Don. You are concerned that I might impugn the character of a moving vehicle -- no driver mentioned?

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Yeah, it's posted at 35, but has some knarley 10mph curves
People generally drive too fast thru there

This happened practically across the road from red dog's place.  You can believe him on how people drive around there.
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So what's the problem? Get your speed gun and go out on the road and document the traffic. Pretty darn trivial comment, Don. You are concerned that I might impugn the character of a moving vehicle -- no driver mentioned?

Accidents happen. Sometimes there's nothing to blame, it just happens, especially when wild animals are involved.

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So what's the problem? Get your speed gun and go out on the road and document the traffic. Pretty darn trivial comment, Don. You are concerned that I might impugn the character of a moving vehicle -- no driver mentioned?

Accidents happen. Sometimes there's nothing to blame, it just happens, especially when wild animals are involved.

Like we didn't know that?

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Well Don, I suppose excessive speed may not have have been responsible for this incident, although I view this as a very remote possiblity.
I almost got killed myself (twice) the day I stopped to get this fella off of the road.

Closing statement from the article I linked to:
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"We just want folks to slow down while traveling through the park," Fisher said. "That's the message."

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Like we didn't know that?

By what you have been saying, it certainly looks like a possibility!

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I almost got killed myself (twice) the day I stopped to get this fella off of the road.

Cute Desert Tortoise. I assume you took that photo after you got him off the road.

BTW, that's an endangered species these days.

Good job in saving him!!! Or her, (can't tell from a top view).

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If my vehicle were involved in a collision with wildlife in a national park, I'd consider it my obligation to report the incident. Some folks evidently don't feel that way. Hence the mountain lion along side the road and no knowledge of how it got there.

How about you folks?

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If my vehicle were involved in a collision with wildlife in a national park, I'd consider it my obligation to report the incident. Some folks evidently don't feel that way. Hence the mountain lion along side the road and no knowledge of how it got there.

How about you folks?

Of course I'd have to report it, in a park or not.


I've reported just seeing a mountain lion at Big Bend, ended up having an interview with a ranger about any details.

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Only here can we instantly turn a story about a roadkilled cat into an unrelated pissing match about speeding.

Sad about the cat though.
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Only here can we instantly turn a story about a roadkilled cat into an unrelated pissing match about speeding.

Oh yeah ?  Just how fast were you going the day you smacked your head on the partially open garage door ?
A little too fast, eh ?  :;):

Hey Don, I think that Tortoise was male.  At least, that is what I think
Note the prominence on the front of the plastron.
Females have got a bit of a horn there as well, but not so pronounced.

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You remember that? LOL

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There are some stories that just stick in the brain, like the time Tigger nearly set himself on fire in his garage.  Hitting your head on the not-fully-opened garage door sounded like something I would do.  Since I never go in the garage in my robe, Tigger's error will not be something I experience.  :)  

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