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Link does not work. (Anyway, the article is currently the second one down in the list under the History & Archaeology tab here.)

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For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact, Unaware of World War II | History & Archaeology | Smithsonian Magazine

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Sorry, no matter how I tweak the link it won't embed.  From smithsonian.com, it's under the history and acrchaeology tab.  It's a Russian family that fled to Siberia and stayed there until being found in the 70's.

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The Forum software always mucks up long links, and there's nothing you can do about it.  Do a google search for:

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It will be the first link.

Quite a story.  Wow.

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Pretty incredible.  I really don't know if it's good or bad.  But at least they survived the Soviet era.  Most Old Believers did not as they ended up dead or in the the Gulag.  Kind of a testimonial to the human spirit and their faith, I'd say.

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Yeah, those folks had incredible endurance, but the entire article tends to quash any romantic notions of what it's like to live in the wilderness without modern conveniences and communication with the outside world.

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It does do that, for sure.

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Yeah, those folks had incredible endurance, but the entire article tends to quash any romantic notions of what it's like to live in the wilderness without modern conveniences and communication with the outside world.

It does do that, for sure.

It would be interesting if they showed the documentry on NatGeo right before an episode of "Preppers".

I have to respect the skill that kept these folks alive with no medicine and no new synthetic materials for 4 decades.  It also makes me want to see that part of the world.


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Incredible?  To us, sure.  But many lived off the land as a matter of course all around the world -- including deserts and tundra -- until fairly recently in our human history.

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Incredible?  To us, sure.  But many lived off the land as a matter of course all around the world -- including deserts and tundra -- until fairly recently in our human history.

Yes, but in that time period people lived in communities whose skills/knowledge were honed by generations of experience. This small family walked off the map with no prior notice or preparation other than what daily life afforded them. I'm awed.
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Incredible?  To us, sure.  But many lived off the land as a matter of course all around the world -- including deserts and tundra -- until fairly recently in our human history.

Yes, but in that time period people lived in communities whose skills/knowledge were honed by generations of experience. This small family walked off the map with no prior notice or preparation other than what daily life afforded them. I'm awed.

Well, yes and no.  The couple started off living within a community -- but it wasn't in Moscow -- it was already a community 'at the fringe' -- so very likely, most of what they needed, they made themselves.  From there, it wouldn't be too hard to improvise the rest -- or do without.

I imagine something akin to Daniel Boone.  He too lived in a community, but acquired the skills to live off the land.  With help, one can build an entire log cabin.  With just a small family, the couple built a one room "burrow" instead -- but everything else, they knew enough and had enough to survive.

Not saying that I could do the above, but saying that we today are also much more removed from our natural environment.  Conversely, of course, that family -- or now the sole survivor would be equally in awe and would have just as much difficulty trying to survive in our society.  Imagine helping her setting up a bank account and teaching her about online access -- and warning her to guard against internet phishing...


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Incredible?  To us, sure.  But many lived off the land as a matter of course all around the world -- including deserts and tundra -- until fairly recently in our human history.

Yes, but in that time period people lived in communities whose skills/knowledge were honed by generations of experience. This small family walked off the map with no prior notice or preparation other than what daily life afforded them. I'm awed.

Well, yes and no.  The couple started off living within a community -- but it wasn't in Moscow -- it was already a community 'at the fringe' -- so very likely, most of what they needed, they made themselves.  From there, it wouldn't be too hard to improvise the rest -- or do without.

I imagine something akin to Daniel Boone.  He too lived in a community, but acquired the skills to live off the land.  With help, one can build an entire log cabin.  With just a small family, they built a one room "burrow" instead -- but everything else, they knew enough and had enough to survive.

Not saying that I could do the above, but saying that we today are also much more removed from our natural environment.

Boone probably had some tools.  It seemed to me, as I read the article, that they left with whatever they had in their pockets.

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Incredible?  To us, sure.  But many lived off the land as a matter of course all around the world -- including deserts and tundra -- until fairly recently in our human history.

Yes, but in that time period people lived in communities whose skills/knowledge were honed by generations of experience. This small family walked off the map with no prior notice or preparation other than what daily life afforded them. I'm awed.

Well, yes and no.  The couple started off living within a community -- but it wasn't in Moscow -- it was already a community 'at the fringe' -- so very likely, most of what they needed, they made themselves.  From there, it wouldn't be too hard to improvise the rest -- or do without.

I imagine something akin to Daniel Boone.  He too lived in a community, but acquired the skills to live off the land.  With help, one can build an entire log cabin.  With just a small family, they built a one room "burrow" instead -- but everything else, they knew enough and had enough to survive.

Not saying that I could do the above, but saying that we today are also much more removed from our natural environment.

Boone probably had some tools.  It seemed to me, as I read the article, that they left with whatever they had in their pockets.

Yeah... they had nothing to hunt with -- so they improvised and built traps instead.  An axe would have been real nice, but bottom line was their mentality, some basic skill sets, and the human knack for improvisation.


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They did'nt hunt meat until the late 1950's or early 60's. they lived off of pinenuts and whatever they could find in the forest. They grew their own rye. They lived as if it were the dark ages all over again.
A triumph of the will, with freedom of religion driving their extreme isolation in that frozen part of the world.
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Daniel Boone did not live 40 years in isolation from other communities — or anything close to it.

He most certainly had access to "tools," because he was an active trader when it profited him — again placing him in contact on a regular basis with small communities of settlers  —  and, at times, Natives. If he wanted a new ax or knife, he knew where to get it.

During much of the time when Boone was by myth "off in the wilderness," he actually was serving in official capacities in the various communities in which he lived — very much in tune, as a trader, with the course of settlement and with the Native societies around him.

And even into his elderly years, Boone traveled widely. Over time that was from North Carolina to west of the Missouri River. He did not just camp for decades with a small family in a small area out of touch with other people.


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So now, that Russian family needed to be just like Daniel Boone (or vice versa) -- in order to make a point that some folks are much better prepared than pure city folks living in Moscow or New York City or wherever to survive in the wilds??

My own view, I am indeed impressed by that family's perseverance and ability to survive.  But an even greater impression is the incredible fear that Stalin impressed on that poor family -- and other Russians as well -- that they didn't dare re-enter civilization, ever!


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. . . I imagine something akin to Daniel Boone.  He too lived in a community, but acquired the skills to live off the land.  With help, one can build an entire log cabin.  With just a small family, the couple built a one room "burrow" instead -- but everything else, they knew enough and had enough to survive. . . .

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They did well under the circumstances but their plight also highlights the fact that individuals and small families like this need interaction with other individuals and families in order to better provide for the present and future.  40 years is a blip compared to the 100,000 years since modern humans left Africa and began to populate the globe.  It is even a smaller blip compared to the aproximate emergence of the genus homo aproximately 3 million years ago.  The evidence indicates humans began trading with neighboring groups very early on and that this trading/sharing enabled them to prosper.  This group came very close to not surviving several times.

Eventually that axe and saw gets dull.  Even Dick Proeneke used a modern rifle to hunt which required modern amunition, which required a supply flight in to his cabin.  Actually living in complete isolation is very tenuous as this family's odyssey demonstrates.

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It does make me wonder if there are more of them out there.

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IMHO we lose an essential part of what it means to be human when we are cut off from a larger social group.

I used to dream of disappearing into the woods not unlike the old mountainmen or even Dick Proeneke.  

Now I'm content living in society at large and on occasion I get to introduce newbies from my slice of society to the joys of backpacking. I truly do love the silence and healing of the woods and wilderness; but no longer do I dream of being a solitary rock or island.


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An astonishing achievement. Part of the perspective of the situation was the incredible brutality of the purges, etc. going on at the time in the Soviet Union. 20,000,000 killed (the usual estimate) and who could even imagine what else.

I think also of the emotional impoverishment of the children in never being able to fall in love - never being able to make love.


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Impressive, make me feel like I live with a society of whiners.
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Rminds me of those Japanese soldiers that came out of the jungles, years after the war was over.  This planet, and its humans, amaze me.

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Makes me feel like a whiner, truth be told. I usually consider myself fairly self-sufficient in the woods, but those guys put a whole new perspective on the term. I... am most definitely not. Never was.


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Wow.

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