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Personally, I think this guy should settle, maybe for a mill.

Not sure they could legally do so, but it would be fitting justice if the tribe could declare Eminent Domain and just take the property and reimburse him the money he paid for it.
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It's called profiteering. Unfortunately, this guy's profiteering is at the expense of one of the most tragic events in Lakota history and one of the most shameful events in American history.

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Seems to me that he's far more enamored with the idea of lining his pockets with the Oglala Sioux Tribe's money than he is in anything else...  I wonder what the price would be if there was no impending settlement?

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It's called capitalism.  It's nice to be charitable, but no one should be forced into it.  If I were the tribe, I would just wait it out..

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Capitalism is an economic system this is profiteering off the deaths of 300 humans and is the type of unethical behavior that has no place in a civilized society.  Not every unethical action can or should be allowed as part of the "free market capitalism" that is being pushed today.  What is really being suggested is anarchy capitalism where the wealthiest will survive and will be the downfall for the majority of society.  

Truth is he will never get that much.  The Lakota don't have that kind of money and the people who can afford it will not see any return on that investment.
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Yeah, nice if he can get $25K, since it is valued at $7K.  Much over $100K and he is just ripping off the tribe over an emotional issue.  Maybe the tribe can get money from a casino, where it would be justice to rip off the people who play there.  

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Capitalism is an economic system this is profiteering off the deaths of 300 humans and is the type of unethical behavior that has no place in a civilized society.  Not every unethical action can or should be allowed as part of the "free market capitalism" that is being pushed today.  What is really being suggested is anarchy capitalism where the wealthiest will survive and will be the downfall for the majority of society.  

Truth is he will never get that much.  The Lakota don't have that kind of money and the people who can afford it will not see any return on that investment.

Capitalism makes no pretension to being ethical.  Drug companies make millions off the sick and dying everyday...  But back to the issue at hand, it's why I wrote the tribe should just wait it out.  When the old man dies, the kids will likely want to cash in, to make the division easier.

Finally, sure, we can always find examples of subpar morality... but it's too easy for society to get "all liberal" over other people's property.


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Craig Dillon, a tribal council member on the Land Committee, said he would like to see the tribe buy the land at Wounded Knee because then they could build a museum commemorating the massacre with artifacts, food vendors and a place for local artists to sell their art to visitors.


In other words, the tribe wants to make some money off the tragic events at the sight.
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Craig Dillon, a tribal council member on the Land Committee, said he would like to see the tribe buy the land at Wounded Knee because then they could build a museum commemorating the massacre with artifacts, food vendors and a place for local artists to sell their art to visitors.


In other words, the tribe wants to make some money off the tragic events at the sight.

I don't think the "local artists" contribute much to the Pine Ridge economy. I'm fairly sure the tribe is aware of that.


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Not sure they could legally do so, but it would be fitting justice if the tribe could declare Eminent Domain and just take the property and reimburse him the money he paid for it.

I think only the government can use that argument, so unless the property is on reservation land, eminent domain won't work.  It really should be declared a National Landmark, or at least a National Historic Site.
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Wounded Knee is in fact a National Historic Landmark consisting of 870 acres all within the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. The monument itself is located in the Northeast corner of the 870-acre area considered part of the National Historic Landmark.

The question in my mind is whether this man owns an actual "inholding," within the boundaries of the Landmark or whether his 40 acres abuts an edge of the Landmark boundaries. The article implies an inholding.

So the question may not be whether Eminent Domain could be applied but rather whether the appropriate officials have the guts to apply it. Without much doubt, that would be challenged in court and the guy could make his claim that his measly 40 acres is worth four million dollars instead of seven thousand.


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The lands were all stolen from the Natives in the first place. Why should they have to pay even 1¢ to get it back?

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The lands were all stolen from the Natives in the first place. Why should they have to pay even 1¢ to get it back?

Would you feel the same if Native Americans discover that your house is sitting on sacred burial ground -- and they want their land back?  No pay?

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The lands were all stolen from the Natives in the first place. Why should they have to pay even 1¢ to get it back?

Would you feel the same if Native Americans discover that your house is sitting on sacred burial ground -- and they want their land back?  No pay?

Yes. The law states that stolen property must be returned to the proper owner when recovered. Except when it comes to being an Indian.

The Natives got royally screwed. Well over 400 treaties were made and every one was broken before the ink dried.


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The lands were all stolen from the Natives in the first place. Why should they have to pay even 1¢ to get it back?

Would you feel the same if Native Americans discover that your house is sitting on sacred burial ground -- and they want their land back?  No pay?

Yes. The law states that stolen property must be returned to the proper owner when recovered. Except when it comes to being an Indian.

The Natives got royally screwed. Well over 400 treaties were made and every one was broken before the ink dried.

Curious, do you own your home?  And if yes, you are agreeing that when a tribal representative comes knocking -- you will freely give up your home and the land it sits on?

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I don't currently own but I have a few times before and would have given any of them up.

But I admit have different perspective than most. Although I'm not registered, I am 1/32 White Mountain Apache (AZ ), which would have no effect on any properties in MT anyway.


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I realize this is capitalism, however just because something is legal doesn't make it ethical.

Having said all that, I doubt he would get $3.9 million for the property on the open market. I still stand by what I said, he is attempting to rip off the tribe.
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I realize this is capitalism, however just because something is legal doesn't make it ethical.

Having said all that, I doubt he would get $3.9 million for the property on the open market. I still stand by what I said, he is attempting to rip off the tribe.

Agreed. Imagine if some guy somehow bought the Bridge at Lexington and Concord and put a massage parlor on it.

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The lands were all stolen from the Natives in the first place. Why should they have to pay even 1¢ to get it back?

The royal family thinks the very same thing about a large portion of the eastern United States - stolen from them but a bunch of guys with guns.

When do they get it back?
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The lands were all stolen from the Natives in the first place. Why should they have to pay even 1¢ to get it back?

The royal family thinks the very same thing about a large portion of the eastern United States - stolen from them but a bunch of guys with guns.

When do they get it back?

My ancestors had a really nice Island until the friggin Normans showed up in 1066.  I'd appreciate it if they'd get back on their side of the channel.

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Perhaps the county can raise his tax assessment closer to what he thinks his land worth?
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Perhaps the county can raise his tax assessment closer to what he thinks his land worth?

Now THAT is an excellent idea!

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