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Built into the inside sole of each Substratum boot is a small storage cubby. Owners could theoretically store all kinds of small items inside this pouch, but Rocky S2V designed it specifically for fire-starting equipment. One boot holds an Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparkie flint firestarter and the other boot holds two UST WetFire tinder cubes.

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Both? Though I prefer not to take off my boots to start a fire.

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Gimmick.  I've rarely met a hiker/ backpacker that didn't have enough pockets.

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PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 18 2013, 11:35 am Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Gimmick all the way and on multiple levels:
  • The firestarter itself is a gimmick. It has no advantage over a Bic lighter and plenty of disadvantages.
  • Bic lighters weigh less, are simpler, less cumbersome, more efficient, and extremely reliable.
  • You can take 2 or 3 Bic lighters and distribute them better in pack, pants pocket, and even inside the top of a sock.
  • If you lose your pack, your pants, and your socks all at the same time, you probably don't have any boots either.
  • The chances of 3 Bic lighters all failing at the same time in an emergency are so remote that you are more likely to lose your boots.
  • There is no extra room in the sole of a boot. What is there is better used for support and cushion of the foot.
  • It makes the boots more expensive. Greater cost at less actual value.
  • Fire is over-rated. Why not hide a first-aid kit in your boots?
  • You can sew a pocket and keep a lighter on nearly any item of clothing. Why boots?
  • Some hikers have multiple pairs of boots. The magic fire starter location could cause a hiker to chose those boots for a trip when another pair functions better. The firestarter merely creates the illusion that the boots are the better choice.
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How long before the first report of unintentional boot fire?
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How long before the first report of unintentional boot fire?

Or, someone forgets about it and wears the boots to get on a plane.

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I'd say "gimmick" except it's never a good idea to underestimate the lack of preparation that people will head out on the trail.

No one has to bother loading their own spare tire into their car for a reason.....

Granted a compartment with some additional common sense would be a better accessory.
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They're for the doomsday prepper who happens to backpack.  Just in case doomsday occurs when they are hundreds of miles from their bunker.  You never know about your backpacking partners, they may try to take your firestarter ya know...

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I'm trying to figure out how a person wouldn't feel that lump in the sole.

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Worse than gimmicky.   What's easier?

1.  Take off my boots to reach fire starter or some other small gear piece, or
2.  Pull the same out of my pant pocket?

I always carry a compass, a pocket knife and a BIC lighter in my pant pocket.

OTOH, for traveling to dicey places, I can see stashing away emergency cash and credit card.


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I'm trying to figure out how a person wouldn't feel that lump in the sole.

There's an indentation ('compartment') underneath.


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"Emergency" supplies aren't supposed to be convenient to get to: if they are they get used up before the emergency....
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"Emergency" supplies aren't supposed to be convenient to get to: if they are they get used up before the emergency....

Yeah, spring your ankle, then kill it some more so you can reach your emergency stash.   :D

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I vote useful.

useful for getting yourself strip searched in the airport.


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I spend all this time looking for lighter, warmer, stiffer footwear...and then you want me to shove trinkets in them and lift the extra weight with each step I take?

Um. No.
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I see the blurb mentions that the Substratum boot also comes with a 'Survival Grenade' but that  "You won't necessarily want to keep this on a boot"
I believe this was after their test pilot disappeared in a violent explosion - rock hopping, he'd inadvertently activated the Sparkie flint bar which detonated the Survival Grenade attached to his boot.    :;):


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I'm trying to figure out how a person wouldn't feel that lump in the sole.

There's an indentation ('compartment') underneath.

Oh I know there's an indentation. But I'm betting that you could still feel it at the end of a day of hiking.

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I'm trying to figure out how a person wouldn't feel that lump in the sole.

There's an indentation ('compartment') underneath.

Oh I know there's an indentation. But I'm betting that you could still feel it at the end of a day of hiking.

Yes, I would be astounded if it didn't affect the mechanical properties of the sole.
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I wonder if one wearing them during the  Rapture will be sent back or just have the kit confiscated on the way up ?
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The inventor obviously has been watching too many reruns of Wild Wild West, Man From UNCLE, and Get Smart. Plus Bond films.
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If it was useful, we'd all be using it already.

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I'm gonna wait to see if Bear Grylls uses it.  If he does, then I'm going to buy stock in it!   :p

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You know the saying.....every pound on your feet...
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Ditto Travis.

Bic lighters have all the gimmicky firestarters beat by a long shot in so many ways. Even if the fuel runs out, you still have a convenient and easy to use "flint and steel".... 1 handed.


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