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Nicolas Cendoya, 19, was arrested Wednesday, weeks after investigators found 497 milligrams of methamphetamine in his car April 2, reports the OC Register.



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This is down the street from me, and I have hiked in this area many many times.

I knew it didn't make sense!


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Two things I would not do on a first date?  Meth or a secluded hike, let alone both!  

I hope they are made responsible for the $160,000 search fees because their druggy-butts got them lost within a mile of the trail.


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So...I guess it wasn't Jesus after all.  Had me fooled for a little while.
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I've hiked and mountain biked in that area many times.
You'd have to try REALLY hard to get lost there.
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"Some of the cost"? If they were doped up they owe the entire amount.


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Why did it take a month after finding the drugs in his car to bring charges?

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Why did it take a month after finding the drugs in his car to bring charges?

I wonder if they offered him a deal that eventually fell through.
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It's possible the blood samples taken at the time of their treatment for dehydration etc. would be able to shed light on whether they had drugs in their system when they got lost and went missing.

Otherwise what was discovered back in the car isn't terribly relevant, except perhaps to leverage testing those blood samples.
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"Some of the cost"? If they were doped up they owe the entire amount.

It seems headed in that direction.

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"Some of the cost"? If they were doped up they owe the entire amount.

It seems headed in that direction.

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I think it is wrong to be charging for rescues, even in cases such as this.

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"Some of the cost"? If they were doped up they owe the entire amount.

It seems headed in that direction.

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I think it is wrong to be charging for rescues, even in cases such as this.

Rumi

I tend to agree.
But I do think there needs to be some sort of an economic disincentive for irresponsible behaviors that cause such a response.

Perhaps a stiff fine if the situation is determined to have been negligent.
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Confused...
How does the presence of 1/2 gram of meth (in the car) immediately invoke cause for the cost of the rescue? Not advocating anything, but I routinely carry a few Percocet and/or Oxycontin tabs - never used but... just if.

Thus if ever needing rescue, and SAR found my "stash", would I also be held  monetarily accountable?

If found negligent or irresponsible - another story, but 1/2 gram?
Seen more idiocy and stupidity from legal drunks.


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How does the presence of 1/2 gram of meth (in the car) immediately invoke cause for the cost of the rescue? Not advocating anything, but I routinely carry a few Percocet and/or Oxycontin tabs - never used but... just if.

Thus if ever needing rescue, and SAR found my "stash", would I also be held  monetarily accountable?

If found negligent or irresponsible - another story, but 1/2 gram?
Seen more idiocy and stupidity from legal drunks.

I hope you keep those tablets in their prescription bottle when the are "on you", or a traffic stop could turn into a trip to jail and a drug charge. Might not be fair, but those are the rules.
It might also be helpful to point out that Percocet and Oxycontin are legal when prescribed by a doctor, don't know of any MD's writing scrips on meth, since it is currently illegal and not made by any pharmaceutical company's.


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“I hope you keep those tablets in their prescription bottle when they are "on you", or a traffic stop could turn into a trip to jail and a drug charge. Might not be fair, but those are the rules.
It might also be helpful to point out that Percocet and Oxycontin are legal when prescribed by a doctor…”

First off, this is not about me; what I choose to do in the wilderness, or not do, has no bearing… (Insert something here about personal freedoms and rights). Coincidentally, you have the same lack of restrictions too, (… read liberties.)

As long as the hikers rescued practiced LNT and were not shown negligent or irresponsible, what difference does anything found back in their car have to do with allocating SAR costs?  The ½ gram (yes indeed, breaking drug laws) is cause for arrest – but for drugs!
Without proving negligence, any charging for (or even the threat of charging for) SAR bothers me.


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The ½ gram (yes indeed, breaking drug laws) is cause for arrest – but for drugs!
Without proving negligence, any charging for (or even the threat of charging for) SAR bothers me.

The half gram may just be what's left.  But I agree with the need to prove negligence.  The authority needs to show that the hikers actually used the drugs.  My hunch (and that's all it is) is that they did -- given the hallucinations and all.  But lab tests will be required to show definitively.

If the hikers did not use the drugs -- then they should not be made to pay for the SAR costs.  There are other laws dealing with drug possession -- and that is an entirely separate legal process.


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We don't charge off expenses when dealing with most other Issues of negligence and I don't think we (as a society) should charge for SAR costs like this.  Just save people and if they have done crimes then charge them with crimes.  Going down the road towards judging the worthiness of rescue is dangerous.

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Put down the crack pipe and type with both hands.

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Put down the crack pipe and type with both hands.

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That hurt ... that really hurt.  You know I gave up the crack pipe for the hypodermic-syringe.  Besides, the crack pipe was wrecking my teeth.

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Charging for a rescue for finding a minuscule amount of an illegal substance would set a very bad precedent.  Would law enforcement start looking for any illegal activity done by lost people so they would be justified in charging them for what should be public service?  How far would it then go?  What if I had a beer before I started hiking?  How about it my tags on my car were expired?  Maybe a kid dropped his Ritalin in my car and I don't have a script for it, would that warrant me being charged?  Once we start down that slippery slope there's no telling where it could go.  Next, police departments will want to start seizing property of lost hikers to cover their costs.

Besides, the "cost" of a rescue is money that's already being spent.  Police are already on duty, firemen are already being paid and most rescuers are volunteers.  The so-called cost of rescues is for salaries that are going to be paid anyway.


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We use the term "hiker" pretty loosely out here in Los Angeles...

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I assumed Cendoya got disoriented because those two big cz studs weighing down his earlobes had forced his neck muscles to work so hard that it cut off the circulation to his brain.

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