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Interesting that there were several brands that compare in effectiveness to my standard. I think I'll switch since The Deep Woods Off Sportsman II is cheaper.

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For years, I have been a proponent of 3M Ultra, but since the ratings for the top several products are by and large the same, there is no sense in not switching to the cheapest version.  

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I'll stick with a high-concentrate Deet (98% or so.) I don't pay much attention to the brand name because I split it up into tiny squeeze drop bottles (about an inch long) that breath drops come in.

It smells bad, and as I found out one day, it tastes even worse. Returning from a backpacking trip, I stopped at a Walmart, and as I was roaming the aisles I reached into my pocket for some breath drops, took out the little bottle and squeezed a few drops onto my tongue.

After rolling it over my tongue I realized it was one of the Deet bottles I'd used. When I had returned to the trailhead, instead of putting the Deet in my pack, I'd placed it in my pocket.

Never swallowed.

I made a long exit to my pickup lost in the parking lot and repeatedly swished water through my mouth. But the Deet flavor stuck for a long time. So if you have trouble with mosquitoes flying into your mouth, give it a try.


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the DEET smell is pretty offensive to me, so I'll stick with Picaridin, but the 3M Ultrathon is about the only DEET product I'll use.  I have some around somewhere

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I dont know about the rest of you but I do have an issue with spraying a chemical onto my skin...aka DEET.

I prefer a more natural method of bug control.


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I've noticed that when the DEET concentration gets close to 100%, the term "spray" is somewhat of a misnomer.   Mixing some water, or whatever the "inert ingredients" are makes it easier to apply.
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I don't use any spray because it puts far more Deet on the skin than is necessary to do the job. I use a few drops here and there and spread it thin.

It's been so dry around here that there have not been many mosquitoes anyhow. No pools of water for them to breed in. I may have applied Deet twice through the entire summer last year for all I can remember.

In some areas mosquito activity is very dependent on time of day and location. Keeping the mesh zipped up on a tent is far preferable to applying Deet and listening to the critters buzz around inside the tent wishing I were more palatable.

Ultimately I don't like putting a chemical inside the gas tank of my pickup either, but it doesn't go far without it. And I've yet to see anything that works as well as Deet. It's nice that there are other products coming on the market, but that does not mean they will be available in my area. Small-town Wyoming doesn't have all the things in stores of Denver or Houston.


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I used Vietnam Jungle Juice (military issue) for years... high concentration of DEET. Some of it leaked onto a nylon comb I had (together in a ziplock) and over the course of a long backpack trip, unbeknownst to me, melted the comb.

DEET is some powerful stuff!


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Nothing works as well as Deet, and I only use it on back country trips.  Same with permethrin, as it only goes on the clothes I wear in the bc.  At home, bugs are not as bad, and I can get away from them easier.  I figure this limited exposure to those 2 products is not going to harm me.  

I prefer to use pump sprays that I can put into my hand and then apply to my neck and face.  Even when using a head net, I find the little devils can reach the back of my neck and the backs of my hands.


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After researching Deet and Permethrin and finding as much information as I could, I am quite comfortable with using both products. I don't worry about the concentration because of the ability for some products to be time released. I am also not concerned about where Deet is sprayed (except for my equipment). I hit my ankles, arms and neck. My rainshell, summer gaitors, and 3-season boots gets a dose of Permethrin every Spring. I've been using 3M Ultrathon but I'll do a test run of the "good" cheap stuff.

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Thanks for the link, hbfa.

On a related note... there are lots of readings on not mixing repellant with sun block.

A few years back, I experimented by mixing REI sunblock and 3M Ultrathon.  The resulting mixture worked beautifully.  No more need to bring separate bottles of each.  Thus, there is theory... and there is practice.  And sometimes, theory isn't everything.


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. . . On a related note... there are lots of readings on not mixing repellant with sun block.

A few years back, I experimented by mixing REI sunblock and 3M Ultrathon.  The resulting mixture worked beautifully.  No more need to bring separate bottles of each.  Thus, there is theory... and there is practice.  And sometimes, theory isn't everything.

Dr. Buck Tilton, Backpacker Magazine's "Medicine Man" puts it this way:
    "Lather on the sunscreen first, and give it time to bind to your skin. The usual recommendation is 30 minutes, but some products may be ready for an application of repellent sooner. For maximum protection, apply the sunscreen in a uniform layer; it takes about one ounce to cover the skin of an average adult wearing a swimsuit. If in doubt, use more rather than less. With repellent, however, use the minimum amount to keep bugs off. Try a little, then add more as needed. "
That is the way I try to do it — if I use both sunscreen and repellent. But I do not mix the two in a bottle because I use sunscreen often but repellent rarely. So I have no reason to put on repellent every time I use sunscreen. For instance, I use sunscreen even on winter hikes, but I certainly don't need Deet in winter. So I leave the fluids separate.

Beyond that, by doing the layering as Dr. Tilton recommends, it is easier to spread the Deet as thin as necessary to do the job. But with sunscreen, I want to make sure I don't spread it too thin. Better to err on the thick side with sunscreen and thin side with Deet. I can always apply more Deet, but I don't want to get a sunburn before I realize the sunscreen was too thin.

I don't want to use Deet if I don't have to, so I keep the two separate — until I apply them to my skin.


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As always, a YMMV thing.  Just wanted to share that mixing is a perfectly effective option -- application theories notwithstanding.

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As always, a YMMV thing.  Just wanted to share that mixing is a perfectly effective option -- application theories notwithstanding.

Sure, mixing may be effective.

But not mixing is far more than just a "theory." It's a very practical solution for winter hiking and for other seasons where mosquitoes are not a problem — from highly-experienced  backpackers such as Doctor Tilton of NOLS.


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Permethrin my clothes, DEET my exposed.

When we went to Cumberland Island, in February, gnats would accumulate in a crowd in your face.  A drop of DEET on a finger, smeared across the forehead and down the nose would keep them a foot away.

I'll depend on my clothing and a drop or two of DEET.


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But not mixing is far more than just a "theory." It's a very practical solution for winter hiking and for other seasons where mosquitoes are not a problem — from highly-experienced  backpackers such as Doctor Tilton of NOLS.

Viable options are a good thing, Travis.  Not sure why you feel the need to repeatedly quote and counter?  No one is saying that you must always mix sunblock with DEET -- even when hiking in the dead of winter where insects are not a problem!  Strawman much or just your usual argumentative self?

Anyway, I offered up my experience as an option.  That's all it is.  :;):


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Permethrin my clothes...

Amen!  And shoes and socks too.

I also spray my tent a bit -- does wonders keeping the flies and skeeters away -- meaning no need to duck in or out of the tent super quick -- and no more incessant buzz just inches from my ears.   :cool:


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