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According to the radio today, one of those urging the re-opening of the case was the former lead FBI agent who claims evidence was altered and fabricated:

http://www.latimes.com/news....5.story


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Brad:

Per the article you linked -- "Tom Stalcup, a coproducer of the documentary to be aired on the cable TV premium channel Epix next month....".

Impeccable timing.  I am hoping this is nothing but a self-serving publicity stunt.  The alternative outcome is too depressing and scary...


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4 yrs of investigation.  Some of the team doesn't like the group final findings, which took 2 days to hammer out in committee.  Not surprisingly, there are some out there that will try to profit off of the uncertainty.  

Official report is an electrical current caused a fire within the fuel tanks.  until someone comes up with something better, that is what brought down the flight.  


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I thought we already knew that our navy "accidentaly" launched a missel at it??

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The next thing you know, they'll be trying to dig up Jimmy Hoffa...
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They might even try to match DNA on bone fragments in Russia that claim to be Hitler.

And that is just the beginning if ratings jump!


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4 yrs of investigation.  Some of the team doesn't like the group final findings, which took 2 days to hammer out in committee.  Not surprisingly, there are some out there that will try to profit off of the uncertainty.  

Official report is an electrical current caused a fire within the fuel tanks.  until someone comes up with something better, that is what brought down the flight.  

736 eye witnesses saw a missile lift off the sea, including a highly decorated Vietnam-era pilot who was flying a helo in the area. He described the streak that came off the sea and hit TWA 800 as looking exactly like what he experienced being shot at over Vietnam.

That's just some of the evidence given for a missle strike, including explosives residue unaccountably in seat foam on board.

I'm no conspiracy theorist and don't own a tinfoil hat... there's just too much that is fishy about this whole thing. Also given an ELAL 747 was lined up to take off right behind 800...


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I think that it is unlikely that anyone, especially our government could keep such a secret for long.

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I think that it is unlikely that anyone, especially our government could keep such a secret for long.

It would appear that failure may be imminent.

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4 yrs of investigation.  Some of the team doesn't like the group final findings, which took 2 days to hammer out in committee.  Not surprisingly, there are some out there that will try to profit off of the uncertainty.  

Official report is an electrical current caused a fire within the fuel tanks.  until someone comes up with something better, that is what brought down the flight.  

736 eye witnesses saw a missile lift off the sea, including a highly decorated Vietnam-era pilot who was flying a helo in the area. He described the streak that came off the sea and hit TWA 800 as looking exactly like what he experienced being shot at over Vietnam.

That's just some of the evidence given for a missle strike, including explosives residue unaccountably in seat foam on board.

I'm no conspiracy theorist and don't own a tinfoil hat... there's just too much that is fishy about this whole thing. Also given an ELAL 747 was lined up to take off right behind 800...

The report covers all possibilities.  If there was a missile fired at the plane by a terrorist, how come no one has taken credit?  It could not have been our own Navy, because no one can guarantee the silence of the hundreds of sailors involved.  I cannot understand how 736 people thought they saw something that didn't happen, yet there is no evidence of a missile attack.

Explosive residue has been explained.  The plane in question had been used to train dogs to detect various explosives.  Documents show exactly where that residue had been placed.

People will believe what they want about this whole thing, and I am not accusing anyone of being a conspiracist.  The documentary only shows the side they wish to present, and ignores the evidence used to discredit those theories.  

I see no advantage of a false report.  The FBI and the NTSB have no reason to hush up a missile attack by any source.


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I think that it is unlikely that anyone, especially our government could keep such a secret for long.

Exactly. If they could, most of us wouldn't know what Watergate was.

I'm curious to know what "radar data" they have that suggests an "external explosion."


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People will believe what they want about this whole thing, and I am not accusing anyone of being a conspiracist.  The documentary only shows the side they wish to present, and ignores the evidence used to discredit those theories.  

+1 a whole bunch of times.

It is amazing how people cannot accept ground truth, no matter how much evidence there is, in order to introduce a more complicated conspiracy.

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I see no advantage of a false report.  The FBI and the NTSB have no reason to hush up a missile attack by any source.


If you are of the mindset that the government is out to getcha, then you can believe that such a falsified report would be produced.


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The government wasn't ready to go to war on terror(oil) over a lone wolf terrorism act. They wanted to wait till 9/11
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I would like to know why they keep changing the technology on the newer planes. The old 747's have a 50 yr proven track record. Their electrical systems are proven and whatever potential short circuits or fire hazards were discovered and corrected 30 yrs ago. So why would they disregard a well understood electrical system and replace it with something new and semiexperimental? To me that is the real story.
That is more likely the cause, at least the TSA thought so.
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Lone wolf terrorist?  How did this lone wolf take down an airliner flying at 16,000 ft?

Are you even aware that shoulder fired missiles are limited to 10,000 ft AGL?  And that such misslie systems require two operators?
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I would like to know why they keep changing the technology on the newer planes. The old 747's have a 50 yr proven track record. Their electrical systems are proven and whatever potential short circuits or fire hazards were discovered and corrected 30 yrs ago. So why would they disregard a well understood electrical system and replace it with something new and semiexperimental? To me that is the real story.
That is more likely the cause, at least the TSA thought so.

The old steam engine -- perfected over decades -- became very well understood.  Imagine if folks back then got too  comfortable and stopped innovating (i.e. tinkering and messing around).   :;):

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I would like to know why they keep changing the technology on the newer planes.

Why?  Because techology constantly changes.  Very few people use 10 yr old cars, much less 50 yr old ones.  They don't just wear out.  They become obsolete.

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Indeed.  And that track record proved improvements are REQUIRED.  Airworthiness Directives (ADs) have made extensive changes to those 50 yr old airplanes' avionics systems, fuel systems, electrical systems, lighting systems, icing systems. and even insulation blankets.

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Their electrical systems are proven and whatever potential short circuits or fire hazards were discovered and corrected 30 yrs ago.
You are dead wrong.  USAF operates some of the oldest 747s (E-4Bs and VC-25s) and ADs are still being incorporated that update and modify the electrical and FQIS (Fuel Quantity Indiating Ssytem) wiring of those aircraft.  There have been SEVERAL fuel tank fires that have destroyed aircraft.  Fortunately most were on the ground.  TWA 800 sadly was in the air.

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So why would they disregard a well understood electrical system and replace it with something new and semiexperimental?
Semiexperimental?!!  You appear to be unfamiliar with aircraft certification processes.
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Aren't most people?  I am.


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Aren't most people?  I am.

OK.  Then FYI, "semi experimental" systems, processes, and materials don't get into FAR Part 121 (commercial air carrier) certified aircraft.

Also FYI, keeping an aircraft's FAR Part 121 certficate and the operators's Part 125 Certificate current requires CONSTANT updates and  upgrades in addition to normal maintenance.  The airframe may be 50 yrs old, but the various systems (especially the electronic ones) in it are not.

I would recommend a person get some basic understanding of the FARs (Federal Aviation Regulations) before speculating about conspiracy theories regarding crashed airliners.
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There have been SEVERAL fuel tank fires that have destroyed aircraft.  Fortunately most were on the ground.  TWA 800 sadly was in the air.

A point that the conspiracy nuts are determined to ignore.

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There have been SEVERAL fuel tank fires that have destroyed aircraft.  Fortunately most were on the ground.  TWA 800 sadly was in the air.

A point that the conspiracy nuts are determined to ignore.

Well of course.  That would spoil the conspiracy.
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Well, most of the airframe was recovered. Pretty easy to tell if it was a air to air or ground to air missile.
It would also be easy to tell if it was high explosive from inside the aircraft. I think someone has the tin foil a little to tight.


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With all due respect, that is utterly false.

There were a total of 736 witnesses.  Of those, only 258 saw a "streak of light", almost all of them saying it was going DOWN.  Only 38 stated the streak was going UP.  Only 18 of the 38 reported seeing the streak originate from the surface of the water or the horizon.  Later testing showed that the 18 witnesses could NOT have seen a missile.  A surface to air missile booster motor is visible for only a few seconnds as it accelerates.  After that the sustainer rocket motor ignites and the rocket motor is NOT visible.  In short, it would have been impossible to see a missile streak from the ocean to the aircraft.  For most of the missile's flight the motor is simply not visible.

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With respect, the most "fishy"part are the utterly false "facts" in your post.
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Well, most of the airframe was recovered. Pretty easy to tell if it was a air to air or ground to air missile.
It would also be easy to tell if it was high explosive from inside the aircraft. I think someone has the tin foil a little to tight.

Even the most rabid of the conspiracy theorists acknowledged the Center Wing Tank ignited and exploded.  The only question is what ignited it?  Most of them insist it was a missile fragment.  A few insist it was an external bomb.  Both were conclusively proven wrong.
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Ken, you sound pretty confident... more so than the lead NTSB investigator. Me, I'm not quite as confident and share some of the lead investigator's doubts. Nothing set in concrete, just doubts.

Yeah, my "facts" are mostly from memory, and since I turned 52 today, maybe my memory isn't what it was.

I followed the issue a lot through the 90's and early 2000's and haven't thought about it much for a long time.

My thought's are not set in stone, just that I've never seen a crash with more discrepancies.

Airline crashes were always an interesting topic for me growing up.

I'll give my dad a jingle in the next couple of days and get his current take. He flew the EXACT (the actual/same serial no) 747 that blew up over Long Island multiplied dozens of times... he retired a 747 Captain for TWA.

I'd add he retired with 24,000 hrs under his belt. He lost 3 good friends on 800, two of which were at his house for dinner the night before the crash where they both (obviously) lost their lives.

At the time he said the FAA/NTSB/FBI findings struck him as complete bullchit. Haven't talked about it for a long time but I'll be curious to hear his current thoughts...

I'll post them here if anyone is interested in someone with better than armchair expertise.

Like I said, I just thought it was interesting that folks at the center of the investigation are starting to come forward with their doubts 17 years later...


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I'm convinced KenV did it and is trying to cover it up.

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Typical terrorist...

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Like I said, I just thought it was interesting that folks at the center of the investigation are starting to come forward with their doubts 17 years later...


You do note however, that they come "forward" only as part of a TV production??

I understand that the money is good, and easy, but why would a professional be driven to that level of greed and self aggrandizement?


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I understand that the money is good, and easy, but why would a professional be driven to that level of greed and self aggrandizement?

Pretty stout judgement... not sure how you have the information to make that judgement...

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I understand that the self-satisfaction is good, and easy, but why would a poster be driven to that level of hubris and self aggrandizement?

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