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I think many men will try to soldier on, instead of going for cover, when bad weather strikes.
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I should  try to avoid flyfishing on rainy Saturday afternoons but I'd hate to miss the baetis hatch. :)

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As many sources have said, "There is no safe place outside during a lightning storm."

But I've sat outside huddled in my rain parka through many such storms, and I wouldn't care to have missed any of them.


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But I've sat outside huddled in my rain parka through many such storms, and I wouldn't care to have missed any of them.

Right on! A dry sheltered place right there would be nice, but otherwise you're at a great place.

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Florida had the most lightning deaths of any state between 2001-2012 (52) and ranks # 8 in deaths per million population.  I avoided being a stat twice I the last week.  I was out paddling a week ago when a storm came up with a waterspout and lightning.  Yesterday I was also out paddling when a lightning storm appeared.  In both cases I headed for shore and got there before the rains came.  

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I wouldn't worry about it... Getting hit by lightning is kinda like winning the Lotto -- you can double the chance and the probability will still be minuscule.  And as hikers and fishers, I am sure most all of us know what to do to minimize the already minuscule chance even further!  There.  All better now.   :D

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Better than most ways to go, IMO.

Maybe I should rethink my final day plans and add a lightning rod in place of the Jack Daniels??


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I'm just going to take a guess that most of the fishing victims were out in the middle of large lakes on boats, not fly fishing a quiet forest creek.
Probably the only activity that puts most of us at risk is being above timberline in the afternoon. I've scrambled off a few ridges in my day.


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I'm just going to take a guess that most of the fishing victims were out in the middle of large lakes on boats, not fly fishing a quiet forest creek.
Probably the only activity that puts most of us at risk is being above timberline in the afternoon. I've scrambled off a few ridges in my day.

This.

I'm not at risk when gardening, as we almost never have t-storms here.  

I bike a lot, but since I detest riding in the rain, I'm unlikely to be out in a storm.

But I love backpacking above treeline, so. . .


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Not surprising fishing topped the fatality list because the phenomenon favors strikes to the shortest resistive path to the source of the opposite charge versus cloud bottoms in an area.  Areas of Water are usually the most widespread interconnected ground in an area where charges readily flow across a landscape. With atoms, charge carriers are electrons at the outer shells of atoms.  From the perspective of someone with an understanding of the physics of electrical phenomenon, the average outdoor enthusiast ignorant of such, unknowingly often have dangerous behaviors. Despite considerable public advice on the subject there is much confusion.  As an example topping that list is the notion that conductive objects like keys in pockets make a difference.

When frozen water droplets in thunder cloud tops move about, there is a shattering process due to collisions and ice expansion that results in negatively charged droplets at cloud bases and positively charged droplets at cloud tops.   As clouds flow across the sky, the negatively charged base attracts positive charges far below on the ground that within the least resistive ground areas below are pulled close.  

Thus for instance as a cloud with a negative charge passes over the center of a large lake, charges in the water directly below the cloud are relatively positive with a deficit of electrons versus shore areas that are  more negative than during neutral sunny periods.  Dry air is so enormously resistive that the charges remain isolated with no flow through air.

A standing person in a boat out on a lake will be the closest point to the cloud bottoms passing above.  Below such thunderclouds are narrow hollow rapidly varying negatively ionized paths with charged water droplets called leaders that travel along dangling in the air below a cloud.  If a leader comes across an object with a low resistance path to the pool of positive charged water below, the electrical path overcomes the otherwise enormous resistance and the massive charge in the cloud is then able to arc down the leader into the water.   A fisherman in the middle is toast.  Hardly less dangerous would be a fisherman standing on a barren shore.  Along a tree lined shore, areas with tallest trees would be more dangerous than standing below short trees.  

One important thing to understand is leaders are more likely where heavy rain falls especially at the leading front of falling rain.  Another is when hail falls, it indicates clouds above are towering into higher parts of the atmosphere above the freezing level.  Such parts of clouds will be most charged and more likely to have leaders not high above the earth's surface traveling along waiting for that one fishing pole sticking up.   Thus a most dangerous time is where hail and heavy rain just begin to fall.


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So 127 deaths over a 6-year period? Another "source" says about 55 deaths per year on average.

Regardless, I think more people probably die of embarrassment each year than die from lightning.

I would like to say lightning doesn't concern me, but my annual hiking trip to CO is fast approaching....


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I wouldn't worry about it... Getting hit by lightning is kinda like winning the Lotto -- you can double the chance and the probability will still be minuscule.  And as hikers and fishers, I am sure most all of us know what to do to minimize the already minuscule chance even further!  There.  All better now.   :D

<--- Bitten twice. What does that say about my lottery chances?   :D

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So 127 deaths over a 6-year period? Another "source" says about 55 deaths per year on average.

Regardless, I think more people probably die of embarrassment each year than die from lightning.

I would like to say lightning doesn't concern me, but my annual hiking trip to CO is fast approaching....

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I think the chances of being injured or killed by lightning are far greater than the chances of winning the lottery — depending on the location and what "winning the lottery" means.

The chances of winning the Powerball jackpot are said to be 1 in 175 million. In the same lottery, the chances of winning a million dollars or more are 1 in 5 million.

In California, the chances of being injured by lightning were 1 in 14 million. But in Wyoming the chances of being injured by lightning were 82 times as great, that is, 5.8 in a million. (Calculated over the period from 1959 to 1994. See Lightning Injuries, Fatalities and Damage Reports in the United States, 1959-1994.)

In the time period of those numbers, Wyoming led the nation as the state with the highest per capita injuries from lightning. California was far behind every other state and territory except Alaska. So what seems miniscule in California is not quite so insignificant in Wyoming.

Considering that most people remain indoors or seek indoor shelter during thunderstorms, the chances of a hiker or backpacker in Wyoming being injured by lightning are far greater than even those figures suggest.

Chances of winning a million dollars: 1 in 5 million.
Chances of injury by lightning in Wyoming: 29 in 5 million.

ETA: National Park Service Digest: Climber Killed, Sixteen Injured During Lightning Storm.


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