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YOSEMITE NATIONAL PARK, Calif. — Forest Service: Huge wildfire near Yosemite began when hunter allowed illegal fire to escape.

That's all the detail I found.

Just a little thoughtlessness; some me, the center of the universe; some I don't need no stinking government bureaucrat to tell ME what to do. I'M A MAN!


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Hope that hunter was a Silicon Valley millionaire: that $81 million bill is going to sting otherwise. Then there's the liability for the injuries...

http://inciweb.org/incident/article/3660/21282/

"Cost to date: $81 million Injuries: 5"
http://inciweb.org/incident/article/3660/21279/

Agreed no one by this time of year in California is unaware of the fire restrictions and the tremendous hazards open fires threaten. Well that selfishness is going to bite them big time. And it should.

Perhaps that's why the cause took so long to announce: a criminal investigation wants to get it all in place before giving the perpetrator a heads up.
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More info about the hunter here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013....94.html


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When will they ever learn?
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Will be interesting to see how this news settles over web hunting communities.   Will suggest some lurk on their discussions of this topic.  

Just like with all manner of outdoor enthusiast communities, there is a spectrum of people from those who very considerately follow environmental and outdoor policies and laws to those who are at the other extreme flaunting laws with a vengeance.  Thus one can never be too critical with a broad swath.   However one can make statements like "too many fishermen at reservoirs tend to litter".  Or "some ORV users will ignore laws on not driving off roads in sensitive environmental areas unless authorities physically block acesss points".  Or "though a minority, too many backpackers ignore policies of not creating campfires at high elevation areas where they are illegal".

In like manner one as an outsider of those communities might suggest, "though a minority, too many hunters have had an arrogant attitude of doing whatever they want to do when out in remote areas beyond the reach of the law, as it reflects anti-government attitudes of the whole gun enthusiast community."


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430 square miles burned, millions expended fighting the fire, FIFTEEN dead: and he got "Sergio Martinez was sentenced to six months in a work-furlough program, 960 hours of community service and five years of probation in 2005....

The so-called Cedar Fire burned nearly 430 square miles, caused 15 deaths and destroyed more than 2,200 homes."

Lesson learned indeed: get a slap on the wrist and carry on. A lesson indeed....
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I was going to say something sarcastic re a successful hunt, but the toll on wildlife is too much for sarcasm or irony. It's just awful.

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Wait!  Fox news alert!  

http://www.foxnews.com/us....spreads

 Growing pot starts fires, who knew?


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Probably shouldn't surprise me - Stanislaus is not a household name...  But I think it's interesting that it's known as the Yosemite Fire

http://www.inciweb.org/incident/map/3660/0/


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430 square miles burned, millions expended fighting the fire, FIFTEEN dead: and he got "Sergio Martinez was sentenced to six months in a work-furlough program, 960 hours of community service and five years of probation in 2005....

The so-called Cedar Fire burned nearly 430 square miles, caused 15 deaths and destroyed more than 2,200 homes."

Lesson learned indeed: get a slap on the wrist and carry on. A lesson indeed....

Sergio was lost and started a fire to get found.  

If this hunter was just having a campfire while camping, then it may be seen different in the eyes of a judge.  Hopefully.


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More info about the hunter here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013....94.html

That Huff Post Article said, "Because of high fire danger across the region, the Forest Service had banned fires outside of developed camping areas more than a week before the fire started."

Well before a week....   I was on the Stanislaus NF website, and it appears that where this fire started was in their high fire danger area, which went into restrictions back in June.


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I don't need no stinking government bureaucrat to tell ME what to do. I'M A MAN!

I don't know if that's part of the cause in this case, but I see/hear this attitude every day.

What's really surprising is how some people decry unions, banks, Greenpeace, NSA - anything right or left that doesn't perfectly align with their own thoughts - and then declare "I deserve..."  "I pay more taxes than he does..." "I've been here for 5 years and no one can tell me..."

Somehow their own perceived entitlements are OK, but the entitlements of others are not.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

But I digress.  Off to TPA with me...
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http://www.foxnews.com/us....spreads

 Growing pot starts fires, who knew?

Did you happen to read the fact that theory was hatched out of thin air[speculation]? False or not just one more great reason to stop indulging the most destructive force in our society, the Black Market.

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Thanks DC,  

The black market?  

What about Faux News?  :D

 Yep, pulled it outta thin air and made it the headline with no evidence I could see, or any plausible senario how growing plants starts fires.


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The local sheriff first put the pot gardener out there as a possibility at an early newscast he held.
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The sheriff has motive to blame pot growers I guess, but why the heck would people growing pot want to start fires?  Seems like that would bring unwanted attention..

 Blame the damn hippies!  Fox plays to an audience.


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 Blame the damn hippies!  Fox plays to an audience.

Well to cook food? People out in the back could want to cook food and a campfire is lighter than bringing in stove fuel.....


Heck he might have just fallen into the very common error of trying to answer the endless flood of questions with a variety of speculative possibilities one of which was a pot farm and that one got grabbed as having more sex than a faulty spark arrester on an atv....
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Pot farmers are like cattle ranchers; they love forest fires in order to open up more agricultural land.

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..then blame a campfire?  But you're right, not a very sexy headline.

I'd expect pot growers to have pretty good gear, at least a pocket rocket..I wouldn't think they would opt for smoke in a place where wood fires are banned.  ..but maybe they are real hardcore gram counters because they have to carry shovels and whatnot..  we know they have scales. ;)


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For those who haven't seen them, the HuffPost photos are incredible.
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Pocket Rocket?  Lol

They are known to have multi-burner stoves, the type one would take car camping, and full size propane canisters (Coleman) or the big tanks even.  They are back there for a while and the small fuel canisters backpackers use wouldn't last long.  

Go to the Sporting Goods Section at Wal Mart or Big 5 - big heavy cotton sleeping bags that are cheap, cheap chairs, cheap tarps, etc. is what they typically use.  And they leave it all there, along with all their trash, when they leave.

The La Brea Fire on the Los Padres NF a few years back was started by a pot grower's campfire


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HUNTER. oR, SOME WHO MESSED UP WITH CAMPFIRE.

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They know the person's identity and they're saying"hunter" so I'm willing to go along with that until there's a correction.
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