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Jet Airways operates 2 flights a day to Delhi from here. Today, both flights were postponed and then cancelled because of "high surface winds" on the runway. This is a lie, as there was barely any breeze. One of the 2 flights yesterday was also cancelled. That one because of "high temperatures." We are 11,500 feet in elevation here! Someone is making excuses, and many foreigners are furious because they have missed their international connections. Jet Airways is not affiliated with other airlines, so they will not compensate for any loss. Nor will they compensate people if they cancel their plane ticket to go overland if the ticket was not purchased in India to begin with. Flights to Europe (and on to America) are booked until September, except for expensive first-class tickets which neither airline will cover. Jet Airways won't touch it. Northwest/KLM, Lufthansa/United, or others will not refund the unused ticket in favor of a later date ticket. I am okay, as I built in an extra day because I know stuff like this happens. But, if it happens again, I am in DEEP trouble. My connecting international flight is tomorrow night, and I HAVE to get back. Our family has suffered a huge loss, and I have a memorial service that I have to attend. So, I have to report tomorrow at 4:15AM for a 7:00AM flight to Delhi. I have arranged a taxi and will be there.

The funny thing is that although Jet Airlines cancelled their 2 flights, Indian Airlines did fly today. Their passengers arrived after us, checked in, went through security and took off while we were all in the departure lounge. Tomorrow will be a zoo at that small airport with 5 or 6 flights having to leave!

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For those of you reading my postings, the following will be posted here after I return to America in my "Ultimate Trek" series:
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For those of you whose email addresses I have, I will have a newsletter update of my time in India, which I will also email from America to everyone. This will be similar to the one I emailed everyone before my trip here. But, postings here in these forums, of course, have been much more comprehensive than my email will be.

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PostIcon Posted on: Aug. 13 2005, 5:53 pm Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Hi,

I fly for the airlines in America and have had to cancel flights due to high temperature at high altitude airports at the regional level. It sounds misleading without some explanation though. Of course air is less dense at higher altitudes, and therefore the plane's operating envelope for safe takeoffs becomes incredibly smaller due to reduces lift, longer ground roll, and reduced engine output. At those altitudes it would have to be quite cold to get decent takeoff performance, and/or the plane would have to be very light, and a good headwind would be needed. All the plane performance is based on a "standard atmosphere" and "density altitude". Basically, at 11500 the standard temp is -8 Celcius. If it was warmer than that airplane performance would be seriously degraded and a safe departure may not have attainable. They may or may not have been telling the truth about the cancellation, but just to let you know it does happen. Hope this helps Smiler
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I buy your explanation about the low temperatures needed at high elevations (Leh is 11,500 ft). Two other people in Leh yesterday gave me the exact same explanation, including an engineering major who teaches some physics.

BUT, I do NOT buy yesterday's explanation about high surface winds. There was no wind yesterday to speak of. If it had been windy, I would have accepted the explanation.

Today, a Czech passenger told me the real reason, which he got from a reliable source at his hotel who has connections up high. Two days ago, the military general who is in charge of the thousands of troops in this area near Pakistan went in and demanded a Jet Airways seat to Delhi. This is high season, though, and all confirmed seats are gone until mid-September. So, the general was turned down. Jet Airways forgot that Leh's airport belongs to the military. So, yesterday both Jet Airways flights were refused permission to land and turned back to Delhi. But, the Indian Airlines plane landed! This was to punish Jet Airways. The "high wind" reason was just something to tell the passengers, as they couldn't really tell the truth. But, the general got his revenge. Angry Europeans who missed their connections back to Europe were very hard on Jet Airways employees in Leh.

We flew today (one day late). My international connection is tonight. After living in Leh a year, I know to have at LEAST a 1-day cushion between flights.

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I'm bumping these to the top so that I don't lose them when the new software kicks in.
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I'm bumping all of these India stories to the top, so they won't be lost when the new software kicks in.
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Yes, we backpackers all want to read a long-dead post from nine years ago, 2005, about a cancelled air flight in India! It is extremely important to keep this in the new forums so future generations of backpackers may learn a lesson.

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Hey, I don't care if you read it or not.  But, I had about 20 or 25 posts from the year I lived in India, which I'd like saved, as part of a series.  This is related to those posts.  Read the posts that interest you.

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holy necro posting..
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I had about 20 or 25 posts from the year I lived in India, which I'd like saved,

So save them on YOUR computer instead of resurrecting the dead.


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